Advanced Piano roll , sequencing features.

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Tweaking Knobs
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Advanced Piano roll , sequencing features.

Post by Tweaking Knobs » Mon Sep 27, 2010 7:32 pm

Live's piano roll and "step sequencer" are very very ... rudimentary.

you dont have tools like in other Daws, you just have the very basic features, add note, delete note, enlarge note asnd duplicate note.


How about having cool stuff like sugar bytes Thesys, or FLstudio piano roll, wich has :

slide and portmaeto :
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* Riff machine (Alt+E) - Opens the Riff machine "auto-hit-song" generator, but shhhhhh don't tell anyone you used it!
* Quick legato (Ctrl+L) - Performs a quick "legato" to the sequence in the Piano roll (applies only to the selection if any). This tool is a quick preset for the Articulate tool (see below).
* Articulate (Alt+L)- Opens the Articulate tool dialog which allows you to apply staccato, portato, legato and similar effects to the sequence in the Piano roll (applied only to the selection if any).
* Quick quantize ( Ctrl+Q) - Applies basic quantize to all selected notes/slides depending on the global snap setting in the Recording panel (if nothing is selected, applies to all).
* Quantize ( Alt+Q) - More advanced version of the quantize feature. Opens the Quantizer settings dialog.
* Quick chop ( Ctrl+U) - Slices long notes into many shorter, based on the global snap setting in the Recording panel (if nothing is selected, applies to all).
* Chop ( Alt+U) - More advanced version of the chop feature. Opens the Chopper settings dialog.
* Glue ( Ctrl+G) - Glue contiguous (touching) notes together.
* Arpeggiate (Alt+A) - A powerful arpeggiator based on specialized score presets. See Arpeggiator for more information.
* Strum ( Alt+S) - Shifts the timing and velocity of the individual notes in chords to simulate strumming (as in guitar playing and some other string instruments). See the Strum settings dialog.
* Flam (Alt+F) - Applies "drum flam" effect to the score (applies only to the selection if any). See Flam for more information.
* Claw machine (Alt+W) - Slices and re-times note sequences (applies only to the selection if any). See Claw machine for more information.
* Limit (Alt+K) - Allows you to transpose the score and limit it within a user-specified key range. See Limiter for more information.
* Flip (Alt+Y) - This tool can flip the score both vertically and horizontally. See Flip for more information.
* Randomize ( Alt+R) - Opens the Randomizer dialog where you can generate random note sequences based on a specific scale and/or randomize the note levels (including those of existing notes).
* Scale levels (Alt+X)- Allows you to multiply/offset/invert the events in the integrated event editor, as well as map events to a logarithmic or exponential scale. See Scale Levels for more information.
* LFO ( Alt+O) - Shows the LFO box, which lets you draw LFO-shaped events in the integrated event editor. Note that this feature is enabled only when in the property/event selector (15) type of event is selected, instead of a note property type.


please give us some of that stuff !!!


link :http://flstudio.image-line.com/help/htm ... Roll_Tools

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Re: Advanced Piano roll , sequencing features.

Post by Android Bishop » Mon Sep 27, 2010 7:35 pm

yeah forreal, not everybody wants to copy and paste audio clips around all day. some of us actually write music with midi

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Re: Advanced Piano roll , sequencing features.

Post by 3phase » Mon Sep 27, 2010 7:39 pm

Android Bishop wrote:yeah forreal, not everybody wants to copy and paste audio clips around all day. some of us actually write music with midi
but isnt live the wright program than? any 30 year old atari midi program is better suited for midi composition.
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Re: Advanced Piano roll , sequencing features.

Post by teknobryan » Mon Sep 27, 2010 10:29 pm

Tweaking Knobs, That Fruity Loops slide feature only applies to the built in FL synths...

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Re: Advanced Piano roll , sequencing features.

Post by simpli.cissimus » Mon Sep 27, 2010 11:24 pm

How about a piano roll that has a feature to show only keys
of a chosen scale.
Not showing them or giving different color to keys out of the scale.

And I agree with having more advanced piano roll...
No! I'll never use the Push-App Live 9 !!!

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Re: Advanced Piano roll , sequencing features.

Post by fx23 » Mon Sep 27, 2010 11:29 pm

Flam and randomize would be highly welcome.

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Re: Advanced Piano roll , sequencing features.

Post by ilya.soloviev » Tue Sep 28, 2010 12:04 am

fx23 wrote:Flam and randomize would be highly welcome.
Better with "within scale" mode :wink:

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Re: Advanced Piano roll , sequencing features.

Post by Tweaking Knobs » Tue Sep 28, 2010 9:57 pm

teknobryan wrote:Tweaking Knobs, That Fruity Loops slide feature only applies to the built in FL synths...

but also for the sampler, so simpler and sampler could also use them.


also , that is just one feature, what about all the other ones ?

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Re: Advanced Piano roll , sequencing features.

Post by anybody human » Wed Sep 29, 2010 2:52 pm

These are the kind of DAW features that core users are asking for. Ableton: hire a couple of people to do this kind of stuff, make it happen. Advanced DAW features are so very long overdue. C'mon, midi programming, automation curves, is that so much to ask?

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Re: Advanced Piano roll , sequencing features.

Post by Tweaking Knobs » Wed Sep 29, 2010 2:58 pm

anybody human wrote:These are the kind of DAW features that core users are asking for. Ableton: hire a couple of people to do this kind of stuff, make it happen. Advanced DAW features are so very long overdue. C'mon, midi programming, automation curves, is that so much to ask?

well its seems so , but well , there u got amp, if the market was not saturated with this kind of distortion plugs.

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Re: Advanced Piano roll , sequencing features.

Post by keefbaker » Wed Sep 29, 2010 3:21 pm

Totally... Ableton has some great features but does seem to lack a lot of midi tools. However the midi side is *relatively* new so hopefully they'll look into that.

I mean, of course if you have max for live and know max well then you have the most flexible sequencing engine ever but not everyone wants to make a mathematical calculation every time they put a note down.

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Re: Advanced Piano roll , sequencing features.

Post by oddstep » Wed Sep 29, 2010 4:06 pm

While i agree that live's midi implementation isn't a patch on logic's etc, a lot of the things the op refers to could be achieved with using clip envelopes, midi devices and the groove engine. Getting the external instrument device to transmit and store pc data would be handy though.

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Re: Advanced Piano roll , sequencing features.

Post by oddstep » Wed Sep 29, 2010 4:13 pm

Then again, if all those functions could be modulated live... bring it on.... live slicing and retiming would be wild.

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Re: Advanced Piano roll , sequencing features.

Post by greenscreens » Wed Sep 29, 2010 4:27 pm

+ 1000 for strum

you should also post this in the feature wishlist and email ableton if you really want it to show up in the software

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Re: Advanced Piano roll , sequencing features.

Post by oddstep » Wed Sep 29, 2010 5:50 pm

Have you tried using the chord device before an arpeggiator device? The chord device has velocity controls for each note played and the arpeggiator will cycle through the notes. Chord+arpeggiator+scale. Instant minimalist tunage!

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