Anybody tried Live 5 with Windows 7?

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I realise it won't be supported, but has anybody tried running Live 5 in Windows 7 64 bit? Does it work? The OS does have an option to run programs in compatibility mode.

Recently bought a new PC and would like to use Ableton Live on it, but I am not in a position to upgrade. (I already upgraded Live twce since I first got it and decided long ago that I can't keep on paying for something that I already bought!)

[davepermen]

tried? no
does it work? unsure, but i guess not (see later)
compatibility modes available? yes

why not? win7 is mostly vista in it's core, what ever works on vista, works on win7. i know that back in the days, there where quite some updates for live7 targeted at vista, to make it work properly. those fixes only got applied to live7 and live8, so not for yours. because of that, i guess it doens't work properly.

BUT

you might get it to work with window xp mode (not a compatibility mode, a virtual windows xp machine inside of windows 7). this is only available in win7 professional and upwards.

and you don't want to get it work there. why not? well, it's win7 + virtual pc + winxp + live, then, at the same time. don't expect goot latencies or performance, at all.


oh, and don't expect to be capable of installing xp on the new machine, it won't support most of the hardware anyways. and even if you get it running, nothing guarantees you that it run stable.


so.. you can try, but don't expect much.

[difference]

Thanks for the reply. I would fully expect to find instability and bugs (Live's always been as buggy as hell in my experience anyway) but hoping to find someone who may have tried it to see if it "works" at all.

don't expect to be capable of installing xp on the new machine, it won't support most of the hardware anyways.

I'm not sure your concerns there are justified. XP is still supported by just about everything. Can't think of a single piece of hardware I have that doesn't have XP drivers available. Installing XP is my fallback option, either that or maybe set up a hackintosh boot.

[davepermen]

xp is not supported anywhere anymore. and the os by itself has no capability to work on your hw. you can patch it with hopefully working drivers, set your hw into compatibility mode, and get it running somehow (heck, i get win98 running on my pc). but it's not supported. wouldn't want to run on stage with it, then.

things that aren't supported: your harddrive and it's connector. your gpu. the hyperthreads. more than 4gb ram. it starts behaving ill at > 2gb ram anyways (pagefile fail). the cpu throttings and overclockings are unknown to the os, leading to possible threading ill-behaviour. bad for tight-timing software like music. and much more.

i wouldn't build a trustable machine right now that has modern hw and put xp on it. but if it works for you, then use it.

[difference]

Sorry but you are completely wrong.

• Microsoft still sell and support XP.
  My Asus motherboard has bios and drivers available for XP
  Intel provide XP drivers for the chipset
  Nvidia provide XP drivers for my graphics card (as they do for their entire range)
  My Hard Drives would be fine, SATA is supported in XP. I don't think the drivers come on the install CD but it's no major problem.
  Hyperthreading, Speedstep, Turbo for Intel processors have been around a long time and are supported in XP (HT started about 8/9 years ago I think! Speedstep around 5 years ago) Some people do find problems with them in audio software but it takes like 20 seconds to disable them in bios, no big deal. My i5 760 doesn't do hyperthreading anyway.
  XP doesn't recognise more than 4Gb of ram but I've not heard of it causing any problems and not been able to find anything via google to really indicate otherwise. I had started running XP without a pagefile anyway as I found some advantages with that.

To be honest, if I'd built my machine just for music production, and wanted it to be trustable - stable and reliable - I would have but XP on it rather than Windows 7 because all the software for it has been tried and tested for years. XP is probably still the most common OS in the world. It's only recently that a lot of specialist music PC manufacturers have switched to shipping with Windows 7. (I know that last year both Scan and Digital Village were selling i7 based computers with XP)




But we are changing the subject, I don't want to use XP - and that's why I started this thread to see if anybody had tried Live 5 with Windows 7.

Has anyone?

[davepermen]

Sorry but you are completely wrong.

• Microsoft still sell and support XP.

not anymore by this month. support is on a backspin since long time, only in bugfixing, nothing else. and there, only security bugs mainly.

My Asus motherboard has bios and drivers available for XP

nice for you

Intel provide XP drivers for the chipset

not all, and they are not their main focus

Nvidia provide XP drivers for my graphics card (as they do for their entire range)

nvidia is dead to me anyways, but that's offtopic
[quote[My Hard Drives would be fine, SATA is supported in XP. I don't think the drivers come on the install CD but it's no major problem.[/quote]except that you have to disable sata in the bios and switch to the ide emulator to actually be able to setup xp. except if you want to load the sata drivers in the setup from a floppy (yes, floppy only).

Hyperthreading, Speedstep, Turbo for Intel processors have been around a long time and are supported in XP (HT started about 8/9 years ago I think! Speedstep around 5 years ago) Some people do find problems with them in audio software but it takes like 20 seconds to disable them in bios, no big deal. My i5 760 doesn't do hyperthreading anyway.

interestingly, my i5 does? and none of those features have correct support in xp for current harddware

XP doesn't recognise more than 4Gb of ram but I've not heard of it causing any problems and not been able to find anything via google to really indicate otherwise. I had started running XP without a pagefile anyway as I found some advantages with that.
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well, disabling the pagefile means when out of ram, your applications crash. with page file on, this doesn't happen. the only advantage on disabling the pagefile is to not get xp's erradic paging behaviour when >1gb ram is available.

To be honest, if I'd built my machine just for music production, and wanted it to be trustable - stable and reliable - I would have but XP on it rather than Windows 7 because all the software for it has been tried and tested for years. XP is probably still the most common OS in the world. It's only recently that a lot of specialist music PC manufacturers have switched to shipping with Windows 7. (I know that last year both Scan and Digital Village were selling i7 based computers with XP)

and if i wanted it to be trustable then i would use actual software (both win7 and live8). but that's to each it's own.

But we are changing the subject, I don't want to use XP - and that's why I started this thread to see if anybody had tried Live 5 with Windows 7.

Has anyone?

i bet no one. there are people still using live 7, and i've seen so far one posting he still uses 6. other than that, not really. but good luck finding someone. till then, my point stands: it might work, but they had to fix stuff for vista/win7, which live5 doesn't have => don't count on it.

[Dean Corrie]

Hello,
I had Live 6 running on my desktop with Win7 no probs after I built the thing last year. Upgraded to Live 8 in Jan so don't use Live 6, but still on machine. Never used Live 5 sorry, 6 then 8. Just thought I'd confirm Live 6 works. No harm in trying 5.
Cheers

[difference]

Sorry but you are completely wrong.

Microsoft still sell and support XP.

not anymore by this month. support is on a backspin since long time, only in bugfixing, nothing else. and there, only security bugs mainly.

you are one of these people who just can't admit when you are wrong? In the spirit of debate and for the sake of not letting incorrect information stand:

The fact is, that XP is still sold and supported.
You are simply WRONG to say that support is ending this month. Microsoft themselves confirm an extended support date until 2014.
Remember you said XP isn't supported anywhere....

My Asus motherboard has bios and drivers available for XP

nice for you

What's with the sarcasm?? You said (without knowing anything about my setup) that my computer wouldn't work in XP. I'm just pointing out I know for a FACT that every aspect of it does. In any case, find me a mainstream motherboard that isn't XP compatible.

Intel provide XP drivers for the chipset

not all, and they are not their main focus

We're not talking about "all". The FACT is that intel do give XP drivers for the chipset I am using. Again however, I'm interested to know what chipset Intel decided not to release drivers for the world's most common OS for.

Nvidia provide XP drivers for my graphics card (as they do for their entire range)

nvidia is dead to me anyways, but that's offtopic.

Yes. Back on the subject - XP compatibility and the FACTS. Both Nvidia, and AMD/ATI provide XP drivers for ALL their mainstream and high end graphics cards. As do Intel for their integrated graphincs chips.

My Hard Drives would be fine, SATA is supported in XP. I don't think the drivers come on the install CD but it's no major problem.

except that you have to disable sata in the bios and switch to the ide emulator to actually be able to setup xp. except if you want to load the sata drivers in the setup from a floppy (yes, floppy only).

As I said, it really isn't a problem to install XP and add SATA drivers. Adds about a minute onto the installation process.

Hyperthreading, Speedstep, Turbo for Intel processors have been around a long time and are supported in XP (HT started about 8/9 years ago I think! Speedstep around 5 years ago) Some people do find problems with them in audio software but it takes like 20 seconds to disable them in bios, no big deal. My i5 760 doesn't do hyperthreading anyway.

interestingly, my i5 does? and none of those features have correct support in xp for current harddware

You have one of the i5 6xx range then - dual core with HT. The i5 750 & 760 are quad core with no HT. And XP doesn't need to really support those features, they aren't controlled by the OS. XP just has to be compatible, which it is. HT is exactly the same now as it was on P4 processors years ago, speedstep first came in with the core duo range.
Do you really think that intel would bring out processors that didn't work with the world's most common OS??

XP doesn't recognise more than 4Gb of ram but I've not heard of it causing any problems and not been able to find anything via google to really indicate otherwise. I had started running XP without a pagefile anyway as I found some advantages with that.

well, disabling the pagefile means when out of ram, your applications crash. with page file on, this doesn't happen. the only advantage on disabling the pagefile is to not get xp's erradic paging behaviour when >1gb ram is available.

Well, that's an issue if you're going to run out of RAM. It's not going to happen for me. It didn't happen in a whole year with 1Gb. The advantage is that apps run quicker and smoother. It's a very common tweak. I've not heard from anyone else that XP has problems with paging with more than 1Gb RAM (you said 2Gb before!) and nothing else you have said is factually correct so I'll treat that with a healthy amount of scepticism.

To be honest, if I'd built my machine just for music production, and wanted it to be trustable - stable and reliable - I would have but XP on it rather than Windows 7 because all the software for it has been tried and tested for years. XP is probably still the most common OS in the world. It's only recently that a lot of specialist music PC manufacturers have switched to shipping with Windows 7. (I know that last year both Scan and Digital Village were selling i7 based computers with XP)

and if i wanted it to be trustable then i would use actual software (both win7 and live8). but that's to each it's own.

Why is Win7 and live8 "actual software"???

Oh in the sake of completeness, the following also support Windows XP:
Both of my audio interfaces (NI Audio Kontrol 1 & M-Audio Delta 1010)
Abletion Live (All versions inclunding
Propellerheads Reason (All versions, including the current version 5)
Propellerheads Recycle
All my plug ins (mainly freeware)

But we are changing the subject, I don't want to use XP - and that's why I started this thread to see if anybody had tried Live 5 with Windows 7.

Has anyone?

i bet no one. there are people still using live 7, and i've seen so far one posting he still uses 6. other than that, not really. but good luck finding someone. till then, my point stands: it might work, but they had to fix stuff for vista/win7, which live5 doesn't have => don't count on it.

You're point is still no help as you can't tell me whether Live 5 works in Windows 7. I don't get where you're attitude is coming from.
There's stuff in Live 5 (and previous versions) they should have fixed too, Live has always been buggy in my experience so I'm just wondering whether it runs at all. If it runs with a few bugs and occasional crashes well, shit, that's the same as it always has been.

[difference]

Hello,
I had Live 6 running on my desktop with Win7 no probs after I built the thing last year. Upgraded to Live 8 in Jan so don't use Live 6, but still on machine. Never used Live 5 sorry, 6 then 8. Just thought I'd confirm Live 6 works. No harm in trying 5.
Cheers

Hi Dean, thanks for taking the time to post (especially as it looks like you joined the forum just to help)

Encouraging that live 6 works. It's probably worth me at least try installing version 5 and see how I get on.

Cheers.

[dum]

Sorry but you are completely wrong.

Microsoft still sell and support XP.

not anymore by this month. support is on a backspin since long time, only in bugfixing, nothing else. and there, only security bugs mainly.

you are one of these people who just can't admit when you are wrong?

Correct.

[LoopStationZebra]

ffs.

XP is still available for sale until Oct 22.

http://www.microsoft.com/windows/window ... -sale.aspx

After that, the support continues until April of 2014.

Congrats to both of you mongs for misreading and misunderstanding one another, AND the facts about XP.

Jeesh. I can't leave you girls alone for a second.

[davepermen]

different stuff

1) i wasn't sarcastic when being happy that your system still gets drivers.
2) we have diffent understandings of "supporting", i guess. supporting for me does not mean "it happens to work", it means the company(ies) involved actively care if it works. means, if it doesn't, they will provide an update. this is not true for xp since quite some time, except if you're a big business partner with thousands or more clients. right now, if you report a problem with xp to microsoft, they will check if it works in win7, and tell you to get that. this is true since quite a while. same as live 5 is not supported by ableton anymore. maybe someone knows some fix by chance depending on the case, but they don't actively work on it.

for xp, there will only be continued security support. and why? because an infected xp machine could affect all other machines out there, including win7, osx, linux machines. so they have to support this as long as it's out there. but there's no feature support, stability support, performance support. if it works, it works. if not, well, your problem. and that, for me, is NOT support.

and i said it's not available in this month. wasn't sure about the day anymore. but knowing you can't buy it by the end of the month does not motivate me to consider buying it during the month eighter.

but i was not per se correct, i simplified massively.

3) other manufacturers support is mainly the same. they happen to have some drivers from the past that still work, and that's it. actual focus on it for good performance, stability and all that is NOT done anymore by most of the companies. nvidia and ati have to do it because a lot of gamers are very slow at moving on to new windows (they never payed for xp most of them anyways), so it's in their interest to still support an os that is 2 generations back, and has a directx version 2 generations back. they wouldn't, else. at least ati.
4) hardware support of xp. well, it works, which again, does not mean supported. hyperthreading has special scheduling on win7 to make it lower in latency when switching, reducing the chance of audio dropouts that xp triggered in certain setups. etc. none of that is in xp, of course.
5) the pagefile issue: well, you disabled it for performance reasons. you know why? because the performance problem is an actual bug that never got fixed. a correct working pagefile NEVER slows the system down, it's only there for you when out of ram. that's what i ment with xp goes crazy beyond 2gb of ram, as the pagefile really starts to damper the performance. it doesn't on win7, so there you can leave it on. it's a savety net only, and it works well after xp. and yes, normally, you don't ever need it. but that one moment where you do, you'd hate yourself for having it disabled (check different 'out of memory' posts in this forum).
6) sata: well, i don't consider having to find an external floppy disk device + a floppy to install winxp with an additional driver during the setup "supports it". and if you get an ssd, you notice that it's the only way to get your ssd to actually work fast. and no, there are no floppies anywhere around me since years. and 1minute of the setup means around 15% of my setup time spent just there..

You're point is still no help as you can't tell me whether Live 5 works in Windows 7. I don't get where you're attitude is coming from.

well, i tried to help. that's where my attitude comes from. i thought about pro and contra, to estimate a chance, if it still works (well). as per usual, trying to help is my goal. sometimes, not knowing something doesn't mean one can't help. one can at least estimate chances, weighting in different things one does know.

i sounded rude, i appologise.