Tone Deft wrote:3phase, you've chased Ableton employees away from the forum.
i am in tears thats so sad..
but it is very easy.. with a program i dont run any day into a limitation or crash or what ever i spend more time producing than hanging around in the internet
You know the live history?
It started nicely but as a limited nice looptool..
the users wished it to become a daw.. to be able to work exclusivly with it-
Ableton worked hard to get there.. and went along ok the first years.. up to L3 ist was a good run..
some huge problems inbetween with the os x version early L2.. but that was the time.. not only ableton had problems with the change..
Than L4.. that is where it started to become a "fullfeatured" DAW..and where things got out of line..where the implementations got halfbaked..
The whole midi was a strange plug in related conception from the start, that threw all the other inventions over board..
Instead building up on the audio clip concept, just with midi data, they had some kind of backflash to medieval midi times in clip form..
And delivered a L4 midi implemetation that was unworkable with external hardware.. i got my upgrade money back on that one.. needed another year to be talked about as midi..
Than the quirky nudge jump thing that got removed in the meanwhile.. soundimproovements in 6 ..
getting the remote less limited and fx racks.. .. finaly groove design and at least some midi funtionalty like stretching in L8.- but at this point a total arrogant by success ableton.. and
crash crash crash.. bugs all over
and all the old problems since the first days still unsolved.. but 2 times a new file format in one year..
half baked dedicated controler implementations..Dedicated controlers that seemed unresitable but got sold again because of the house intern implementation? what a waste of a nice hardware and my money..
sorry man.. there is a reason that i became so loud during the last year here to open the eyes of the mean fanboys..because its them that turned ableton in the arrogant state and its them that can get them back to concentrate on the important stuff again.
Becoming feature hog is maybe unavoidable for a daw.. but a program as life have to be able to be controlable..spomtanious.
That was the speciallity of the concept.. They started as a kind of designer software..
And design is something with a consequent vision. not halfbaked patchwork.
The quality statement was a very good thing.. just the interpretation of the word quality has to be discussed..
Is quality just stability? or is it on top of that well designed details of operation?
A daw that can afford to include a programing enviroment like max can also afford to be smart in the handling design.
I really dont understand why there is no thru track? there are audio tracks.. midi tracks...
return tracks.. grouptracks...without own launchclip format
why is a thru track as we have seen it in earliest software midi sequencers a no go?
because we dont need midi thru on a daw or stage plug in host software?
Sorry.. its very contardictionary designwise.. on the one hand live trys to stay a rudamentary daw..
leaving out some essential and just beeing very basic.. stoneage basic in the regards of midi thru and syncing..
on the other hand it turns into a feature hog with all kind of strange serato and max integrations..
Ok.. i see that they have to do a lot here. But i still have to speak for worked out daw details.. maybe even with a modern edge.. classical ableton style..
instead layer of layer of halfbaked implemetations.. what is the new ableton style.
A little more love for the details.. and strong focus on stage interaction..
with this as foundation they can do all the integrations as they want and i would applaude.
however.. with all the arguments i collected i am pretty sure now thats pretty hopeless.
the handwriting in the development since L3 dont really justifies much hope..
just becoming loud on the forum cant really change such a mode of design philosopy..a pretty surfaced style.. a strong emphasis on biz tactics over function.
and also a very egocentristic implemented workflow..
I , my laptop and me
in this sense the program works pretty good and for max patchers it must be heaven..
al others are left a bit inbetween the doors..
i really started to hope for another rising star on the software company firnament to become our saviour
Computers for music are stil as much "fun" as they allways have been... nothing has really changed except the portability of my computer and that i dont need an extra instrument/fx rack anymore..
so the former fun part is now inside the unfunny computer aswell