NEWBQ: auto follow on of next scene?

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NEWBQ: auto follow on of next scene?

Post by randallp » Fri Oct 22, 2010 4:19 pm

Is it possible to set Live so that a sequence of scenes just follow each other and stop after the last? (Trying to setup a 6 song praise team set)

I have fiddled with follow-on actions for individual loops but there must be a more elegant way methinks?

Apologies for basic question.
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Re: NEWBQ: auto follow on of next scene?

Post by 0fps » Fri Oct 22, 2010 4:21 pm

you should program follow actions by your own.
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Re: NEWBQ: auto follow on of next scene?

Post by randallp » Fri Oct 22, 2010 4:30 pm

0fps wrote:you should program follow actions by your own.
can I program follow actions for a scene? I could only see follow actions for individual loops though. Am I missing something?

(in my case each loop is a whole song part for one instrument - there are six (one for each of the instruments) loops that make up each scene - when they all play together I get a full band)
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Re: NEWBQ: auto follow on of next scene?

Post by 8O » Fri Oct 22, 2010 5:41 pm

Yeah, there's no follow actions for scenes. You could add follow actions to all your clips so that they all move to the next one after the same number of bars.
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Re: NEWBQ: auto follow on of next scene?

Post by randallp » Fri Oct 22, 2010 6:00 pm

8O wrote:Yeah, there's no follow actions for scenes. You could add follow actions to all your clips so that they all move to the next one after the same number of bars.
Thanks. I don't suppose there's a quick way of doing that? Can I somehow select all the clips in a scene and apply the same follow-on? (I'll try that when I'm on Live again)
Again, thanks for the help. I'm kinda surprised they haven't thought of that.
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Re: NEWBQ: auto follow on of next scene?

Post by 8O » Fri Oct 22, 2010 6:06 pm

Yes, you can select multiple clips and apply follow action settings to them at the same time.
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Re: NEWBQ: auto follow on of next scene?

Post by randallp » Fri Oct 22, 2010 8:13 pm

8O wrote:Yeah, there's no follow actions for scenes. You could add follow actions to all your clips so that they all move to the next one after the same number of bars.
Eeek! Now I'm showing my pathetic knowledge of Live concepts! I got the follow-on to occur after x bars. Problem is, I'm not sure how to display bar numbers in the audio clips I load in from Logic. Is there a way I wonder?
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Re: NEWBQ: auto follow on of next scene?

Post by Zeddy » Fri Oct 22, 2010 8:32 pm

If all you want to do is play 6 songs back to back why not just put it in the arrangement view? If you're just going to be playing scene 1-6 when one ends then this isn't really 'live'. Just use arrangement.

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Re: NEWBQ: auto follow on of next scene?

Post by randallp » Fri Oct 22, 2010 8:42 pm

Zeddy wrote:If all you want to do is play 6 songs back to back why not just put it in the arrangement view? If you're just going to be playing scene 1-6 when one ends then this isn't really 'live'. Just use arrangement.
Hmmm.. that's a thought - I'd forgotten about that other dimension. (new to Live)

Of course I have to pick and setup six new songs three times (3 services) a week so I'm looking for something that is easy to administer. One worship leader using Live has one huge Ableton set with all the church repetoire in it. He just drags the six he's doing that service to the top and he's done. (I can't go that way yet as we are only on Live Lite (6 scenes max)).

Thanks for the idea. I'm in flux right now.
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Re: NEWBQ: auto follow on of next scene?

Post by randallp » Fri Oct 22, 2010 9:30 pm

randallp wrote:
8O wrote:Yeah, there's no follow actions for scenes. You could add follow actions to all your clips so that they all move to the next one after the same number of bars.
Eeek! Now I'm showing my pathetic knowledge of Live concepts! I got the follow-on to occur after x bars. Problem is, I'm not sure how to display bar numbers in the audio clips I load in from Logic. Is there a way I wonder?
Answering myself - well I'm impressed - I noted the tempo and length of the stems in Logic and used those in the follow-on play next Live setting and they drop through perfectly to the next song.
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Re: NEWBQ: auto follow on of next scene?

Post by ShelLuser » Fri Oct 22, 2010 11:23 pm

Actually there is some "follow (-like) action" for scenes in that you do have the option to select the next scene on launch. Either right click on one of the scenes and select "Select next scene on launch" or use the preference screen (Record Launch Warp tab). Note that this doesn't actually launch the next scene, it only selects it. But having it selected does imply that launching is but one hit on your enter key away.

The only downside to all this is that this only seems to work when you use a computer keyboards enter key to launch the currently selected scene. If you launch the scene using a control surface like the APC it doesn't select the next scene.

I suspect the latter to be a bug because the option "Select on launch" (selects the track a launched clip is on) also works using the APC.


Edit: Its not a bug, but a feature :lol:

I overlooked an option.. When you launch a scene using a controller you're "hard launching" a single scene. However, Live also supports "soft launching"; when you open midi or key map mode then under the "stop clips" option in the Master track you'll notice a set of 4 controls appear which are meant to support this behavior.

Simply midi (or key) map the scene launch button there and then you'll have this behavior at your disposal. iow; if you map this to a button, highlight the first scene and have "select next scene on launch" enabled then all you need to do to launch the next scene is press this mapped button again.

Its still not fully automated, but could be an option to consider I think nonetheless.
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Re: NEWBQ: auto follow on of next scene?

Post by Simbosan » Fri Oct 22, 2010 11:32 pm

You can use groups to control the follow actions as well, so editing the follow action at group lvl edits the individual follow actions of all clips in the group

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Re: NEWBQ: auto follow on of next scene?

Post by randallp » Tue Oct 26, 2010 4:56 pm

randallp wrote:
randallp wrote:
8O wrote:Yeah, there's no follow actions for scenes. You could add follow actions to all your clips so that they all move to the next one after the same number of bars.
Eeek! Now I'm showing my pathetic knowledge of Live concepts! I got the follow-on to occur after x bars. Problem is, I'm not sure how to display bar numbers in the audio clips I load in from Logic. Is there a way I wonder?
Answering myself - well I'm impressed - I noted the tempo and length of the stems in Logic and used those in the follow-on play next Live setting and they drop through perfectly to the next song.
:)
Not so fast! I have found that the follow-on bar setting works perfectly at the end of the the first scene. However subsequent scenes don't. I've noticed that if I trigger scenes manually clicking on the master launch triangle, the start tempo of each scene (set in the master track) is honored. If I allow the follow-on actions to drive the sequence of (different tempo) songs, the tempo of the clock in the transport stays at the start tempo of the first scene :cry: The subsequent scenes thus start at the wrong times.

So I can only chain two songs together max. Am I doing something wrong? Help!
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Re: NEWBQ: auto follow on of next scene?

Post by djdont » Sun Nov 30, 2014 3:46 am

I was wondering the same thing as the original poster and after reading the posts here I came up with a solution to completely automate the creation of an arrangement based on follow actions. The trick was to use a clip of silence in the places where I wanted tracks to drop out i.e a breakdown or change ups in the arrangement.

1. First create a clip of silence and place it in the tracks where you want your change ups or on tracks that you don't have any thing recorded (example track 5 and all red clips in screen shots below) (this is key) otherwise the clip will advance to the next available clip and that could be in any scene.

2. Select all the clips

3. Set the time control for when the follow actions would be taken to ( In my case ) 16, so every 16 bars all clips advance to the next scene.

3. Set follow action to next for both A & B Groups.

4. Set follow action chance for both A & B to 1

5. Play the first scene and record the arrangement automatically

Place silent clips and select all > then set follow actions
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Automated arrangement recorded
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Hope this helps. I was pretty stoked when I realized what the result was.

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Re: NEWBQ: auto follow on of next scene?

Post by roxxx303 » Fri Feb 19, 2016 11:47 am

I know this is an old thread, but I still need this functionality.
In Korg Gadget it is so cool, that the "Scenes" advance automatically!
But to do that in Ableton is a heavy, time-intense Workaround.
Especially when using ableton projects exported from Korg-Gadget this feature is a must have
to play and record the song to arrangement-view!

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