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Compared to Reaper Live feels SO bloated!

Posted: Tue Nov 02, 2010 6:03 pm
by djsynchro
On My Quad Core Reaper starts in a quarter of a second. Live takes forever, longer in fact, than Reaper updates take to install.
Live includes Gigabytes of library sounds that I never use, and it has real-time capabilities that I not really use any more. The last time I did
(interactive sound installation where visitors got to press buttons on a Novation LaunchPad) I had to restart Live so many times I lost count. that was right after version 8 was released... the beta phase was not over but marketing has set a date and there it was.

I do really like Live's effects, but I am sure if I looked around I could find worthy replacements. Every time I make a track it's the UAD plug-ins. All the "wow" effects in Live (Vocoder, Corpus) are amazing but I don't use them. There's a lot of bog-standard DAW functions that I need on a day-to-day basis such as nudging a clip by frames using some keyboard shortcuts that Live doesn't do...

So Live is on probation. It would be annoying to change over, all my Sampler stuff would have to be ported to a new Sampler (kontakt?) Tried Rewiring... Live crashes and takes the whole system down. will try ReaRoute but it's kinda clumsy working with 2 programs at the same time

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Re: Compared to Reaper Live feels SO bloated!

Posted: Tue Nov 02, 2010 6:42 pm
by martinkellogs
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Re: Compared to Reaper Live feels SO bloated!

Posted: Tue Nov 02, 2010 6:53 pm
by docprosper
if, in the future, you completely stop using Live will you still continue to thread jack our forum? Is there a Reaper forum suitable for future jacking? Will it just dork?

Re: Compared to Reaper Live feels SO bloated!

Posted: Tue Nov 02, 2010 7:39 pm
by mholloway
Show me Reaper's Session View and maybe I'd care.

-M

Re: Compared to Reaper Live feels SO bloated!

Posted: Tue Nov 02, 2010 7:47 pm
by glitchrock-buddha
mholloway wrote:Show me Reaper's Session View and maybe I'd care.

-M
Exactly. Show me a session view in any other DAW...

I used to think that Logic would eventually get one and that would be the day I stopped using Live, but it never happened and lots of goodies for live like the APC and ipad apps have also cemented the Session View in Live as the unbeatable feature.

Re: Compared to Reaper Live feels SO bloated!

Posted: Tue Nov 02, 2010 8:11 pm
by 4.33
glitchrock-buddha wrote:
mholloway wrote:Show me Reaper's Session View and maybe I'd care.

-M
Exactly. Show me a session view in any other DAW...

I used to think that Logic would eventually get one and that would be the day I stopped using Live, but it never happened and lots of goodies for live like the APC and ipad apps have also cemented the Session View in Live as the unbeatable feature.
Sonar, but it sucks.

Live does feel bloated, not only in comparison to Reaper, but even to itself circa few versions back.
it just went wrong with all these licensed instruments, samples and whatnot, taking away from simplicity and stability.
the only thing over the last few years that enhanced the live aspect of Live was max4live.

Live is best at what it's best and it is live.

Re: Compared to Reaper Live feels SO bloated!

Posted: Tue Nov 02, 2010 8:36 pm
by Lazos
Would Live feel less bloated for some people if they kept their Instruments and samples folders closed? :x Get regular Live instead of the Suite and don't download any sample packs. Problem solved.

Aside from stability issues, which (knock on wood), I've only had a few, Live 8 performs it's basic functions the same as previous versions (I've been upgrading since v. 4)

I'd probably also consider another DAW or performance app IF it had: Session view, dedicated controllers, and a tempo-setting Looper device, but there isn't one is there?. :roll:

Re: Compared to Reaper Live feels SO bloated!

Posted: Tue Nov 02, 2010 9:16 pm
by glitchrock-buddha
Lazos wrote:Would Live feel less bloated for some people if they kept their Instruments and samples folders closed? :x Get regular Live instead of the Suite and don't download any sample packs. Problem solved.
I pretty much agree. I don't think Live is "bloated" just because it has some instruments. If you don't want them, you never have to look at them, doesn't affect the program or bloat imo.

Re: Compared to Reaper Live feels SO bloated!

Posted: Tue Nov 02, 2010 9:25 pm
by 4.33
glitchrock-buddha wrote:
Lazos wrote:Would Live feel less bloated for some people if they kept their Instruments and samples folders closed? :x Get regular Live instead of the Suite and don't download any sample packs. Problem solved.
I pretty much agree. I don't think Live is "bloated" just because it has some instruments. If you don't want them, you never have to look at them, doesn't affect the program or bloat imo.
my point is that i'd appreciate the development in the live department of Live, and not just endless integration of every bloody plugin in the market

Re: Compared to Reaper Live feels SO bloated!

Posted: Tue Nov 02, 2010 9:34 pm
by Short Scope Boy
Hi all

I've gone from Atari to Windows to Mac, and I have used all the major DAW's... Live is without a doubt the most efficient means of creating usable ideas in the most enjoyable way. I have Nuendo, Studio One, Reason etc, but since I demoed Live 7; and subsequently purchased Live Intro I have transformed the way I work.

Don't talk rubbish about loading times etc as it is all irrelevant, the finished result is what is important.

Go back to Midi only sequencing and then you will know what it is like to have headaches!!! What we have in 8.2 is a producers dream.

Why post pointless comparisons about other DAWS, it is not relevant.

We all know they exist; we choose to use Live.

Two words. Live=Genius. :mrgreen:

Re: Compared to Reaper Live feels SO bloated!

Posted: Tue Nov 02, 2010 10:13 pm
by leedsquietman
It's a fair comment to say Live is bloated, but by the same token, so is Logic, Cubase, Sonar etc. Much of the bloat is simply virtual instruments and sound content, which by avoiding Suite or not installing sound content, you can take a lot of the bloat away.

Reaper is a fair enough program for what it is. I personally think it is a bit TOO lean with regard to sound content and inbuilt instruments, especially for a beginner who doesn't have a big arsenal of 3rd party vsts and/or sound content, making it necessary to buy add ons and create bloat in a different way !

Somewhere in between is probably the happy medium.

Re: Compared to Reaper Live feels SO bloated!

Posted: Tue Nov 02, 2010 10:24 pm
by Leon Tricker
4.33 wrote:
glitchrock-buddha wrote:
Lazos wrote:Would Live feel less bloated for some people if they kept their Instruments and samples folders closed? :x Get regular Live instead of the Suite and don't download any sample packs. Problem solved.
I pretty much agree. I don't think Live is "bloated" just because it has some instruments. If you don't want them, you never have to look at them, doesn't affect the program or bloat imo.
my point is that i'd appreciate the development in the live department of Live, and not just endless integration of every bloody plugin in the market
+1 to what 4.33 is saying. The development time spent on all the 'extras', and trying to compete with the features in every regular DAW (e.g. Logic / Cubase / Sonar), I would like to see put into developing session view and tools for live performance. Live should be a focussed tool to do a specific job, in my view.

Re: Compared to Reaper Live feels SO bloated!

Posted: Tue Nov 02, 2010 10:27 pm
by H20nly
currently Reaper is on version 3.
fast forward to Reaper forums version 8:

"Oh man, Reaper is so bloated. I am seriously thinking about switching to Next Thing. My work flow with Next Thing is so much easier."

every day up until then: Reaper needs more... more... more... more...


the future is so bright I gotta wear 8)

Re: Compared to Reaper Live feels SO bloated!

Posted: Tue Nov 02, 2010 10:30 pm
by Short Scope Boy
H20nly wrote:currently Reaper is on version 3.
fast forward to Reaper forums version 8:

"Oh man, Reaper is so bloated. I am seriously thinking about switching to Next Thing. My work flow with Next Thing is so much easier."

every day up until then: Reaper needs more... more... more... more...


the future is so bright I gotta wear 8)
:D

Re: Compared to Reaper Live feels SO bloated!

Posted: Tue Nov 02, 2010 11:19 pm
by hacktheplanet
You can choose not to install all the extra stuff, you know.