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Re: How do you make your kicks?

Posted: Sat Nov 06, 2010 5:24 pm
by Hermanus
I personaly give my kicks with my feet.
One at a time off course :lol:


Sorry I'm already out... >>> [_]

Re: How do you make your kicks?

Posted: Sat Nov 06, 2010 8:16 pm
by yellow
synth + sample + compression + EQ

Re: How do you make your kicks?

Posted: Sat Nov 06, 2010 10:00 pm
by format6
I did an episode on my approch to layering kicks:

http://thedspproject.com/kick-layering- ... ncellation


Might help...

Re: How do you make your kicks?

Posted: Sun Nov 07, 2010 12:19 am
by noizesurge
I generally use free pre-recorded samples (I don't have a mic or kit) and "judicious" use of EQ, compression and the drum rack sampler. But it doesn't matter what type of kick it is. It could be from a 'rock kit', but I tweak it so it works in a house track, for example :)

Re: How do you make your kicks?

Posted: Sun Nov 07, 2010 3:12 am
by Ben_Binary
I have started making a DrumRack by sampling my HandMade 808/909 analogue kick drum module.

Here is the download link for Mr.DOOF

Re: How do you make your kicks?

Posted: Sun Nov 07, 2010 6:52 am
by Simbosan
I get mine on Route 66

Re: How do you make your kicks?

Posted: Sun Nov 07, 2010 7:03 am
by leedsquietman
:lol:

Re: How do you make your kicks?

Posted: Sun Nov 07, 2010 11:29 am
by MPGK
Simbosan wrote:I get mine on Route 66
:lol:

Re: How do you make your kicks?

Posted: Sun Nov 07, 2010 1:40 pm
by bagginz
Making a kick with a synth (video) : http://www.vimeo.com/7111240

cheers,
bagginz

Re: How do you make your kicks?

Posted: Mon Nov 08, 2010 3:16 am
by Dr. Fluffenstein
Thanks for the pointers everyone :)

Re: How do you make your kicks?

Posted: Mon Nov 08, 2010 2:17 pm
by Der_Makrophag
leedsquietman wrote:Then again, certain sounds, especially 808/909 kicks based on sine waves, sometimes need a little extra help from a sample etc. to cut through.
Hm.. normally on the 909 kick a little saturation does the trick...and...BAM in your face (love the 909 sounds)! :-D


At the moment I am also experimenting with bassdrum-synthesis (also in reaktor) and its really tricky to get a good sound out of it. On simple pitch modulated sines (sometimes triangle also works), saturator is always nice (but not too much unless you want some hardcore). With this method, it is relatively easy to get some ploppy stompy goa/psytrance kicks. Using a compressor can give you nice sound, but to play it rythmically you need to sample it, because the compressor can make it sound weird when played fast.

If you are into Harcore/Harstyle Kicks, the only rule is to apply lots of distortion and play around wth pre nad post filtering. Also I am a newbie to this, I got nice ones out of a simple pitch modulated sine, splitting its signal in live: the first just clean, maybe a bit of saturator and the other one for the newschool heavy distortion into guitar rick (transamp distortion effect sounds pretty cool there). then the mix of both into the saturator (feel free to tune up the drive!) to give heavy punch. The mix of both is really important. Also play around with every parameter (also importand the envelope settings of the sine wave) and introduce filtering where it sounds good. just trust your ears here.

Re: How do you make your kicks?

Posted: Mon Nov 08, 2010 3:35 pm
by Dr. Fluffenstein
Der_Makrophag wrote:
leedsquietman wrote:Then again, certain sounds, especially 808/909 kicks based on sine waves, sometimes need a little extra help from a sample etc. to cut through.
Hm.. normally on the 909 kick a little saturation does the trick...and...BAM in your face (love the 909 sounds)! :-D


At the moment I am also experimenting with bassdrum-synthesis (also in reaktor) and its really tricky to get a good sound out of it. On simple pitch modulated sines (sometimes triangle also works), saturator is always nice (but not too much unless you want some hardcore). With this method, it is relatively easy to get some ploppy stompy goa/psytrance kicks. Using a compressor can give you nice sound, but to play it rythmically you need to sample it, because the compressor can make it sound weird when played fast.

If you are into Harcore/Harstyle Kicks, the only rule is to apply lots of distortion and play around wth pre nad post filtering. Also I am a newbie to this, I got nice ones out of a simple pitch modulated sine, splitting its signal in live: the first just clean, maybe a bit of saturator and the other one for the newschool heavy distortion into guitar rick (transamp distortion effect sounds pretty cool there). then the mix of both into the saturator (feel free to tune up the drive!) to give heavy punch. The mix of both is really important. Also play around with every parameter (also importand the envelope settings of the sine wave) and introduce filtering where it sounds good. just trust your ears here.
Do you use multiband dynamics to split it? I find it changes the sound too much so an alternative would be nice.

You should try layering 3 sine oscillators with different frequencies and pitch envelopes instead of just using one, just make sure all the attacks are different so the transients don't happen at the same time. It's a lot of work but the result is a lot better.

Re: How do you make your kicks?

Posted: Mon Nov 08, 2010 4:13 pm
by fx23
@Dr: you need linear phase filters if you want splitting frequencies while staying transparent,
live's own filters won't allow that need to go 3rd party.(but it induces high latency so resampling is needed then).

i myself use booth techniques, sometimes only synth sin pitched with process, layered or not with a real sample
with multiband sidechain to ovoid overlaping or manually equing/ envelope shaping to pick best of booth avoiding phasing problems.
or sometimes spliting in two parts, hi/mid for tick/attack, and low for body sustain , for a more accurate sculpting.
to make extra punch, the attack can be layered with other mid/high freq such as noise/hh/sd/cp or anything short.

Re: How do you make your kicks?

Posted: Mon Nov 08, 2010 4:24 pm
by Sage
Not really into layering at all as it is easy to sit there mixing drums and making them sound huge and then find they don't sit right in the mix at all and end up removing all the layers.

Re: How do you make your kicks?

Posted: Mon Nov 08, 2010 4:48 pm
by Trypset
Sage wrote:Not really into layering at all as it is easy to sit there mixing drums and making them sound huge and then find they don't sit right in the mix at all and end up removing all the layers.
agreed. I normally mix my drums close to where I want them and then start adding to the track around them.