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 Post subject: About korg zero 8 and ... alternatives???
PostPosted: Sun Dec 19, 2010 12:18 am 

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i was thinking to go for it (for live use together with a launchpad) but i read many bad reviews mostly about stability and glitches ... plus many ppl are saying that the unit is discontinued a year after its release...

what is the deal with this unit finally?
anyone working with it completely stable??....always??

if 08 is full of troubles is there any alternative mixer with so many features? (no apc40)

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 Post subject: Re: About korg zero 8 and ... alternatives???
PostPosted: Sun Dec 19, 2010 1:11 am 

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I got one, here are my feelings:

audio is not shinny on zero vs another highend soundcard, the mixer is a bit noisy and some numeric glitchs can ideed occur.
also the headphone out is horrible with clics and low gain. stability is half decent.

however you can get a better quality by bypassing the output convertissors
using an optical out with a better DA convertor (i used a tc with noticeable enhance)
(still very usable by default for live uses, but not top notch like a mackie or allen&heath)

Pro: Lot of midi hw, faders and cross are ultra fast dj styles, knobs and mute solo cross ab is very cool.
encoders are push buttons also (however the touchscreen, build in fx and eq are total joke imo).

so i would say the really cool thing is the modularity audio-midi, and it's an awesome cool midi controller
to have all under the hand, with faders i really find the best for my kind of fast use,
but as audio unit it's not terrible, still workable. I would say for the price you can get it now second hand it
can really worth cause they higly droped, but not when it was full price if you see what i mean :evil:

there are lots of alternatives: Allen&Heat Xzone 4D, Maudio NRV-10, Eclerc EVO_5, M_audio ProjectMix IO, yamaha, Mackie Control or onyx series, D4,Alesis Master control, euphonix, novation remote Sl, evoluction UC 33, BCF 2000, VCM-600...

my choice for cheaper would be BCF or UC33
for modular/price would be the Zero4 or 8
for DJ would be the evo5 / Mackie mixer D2 or D4
for highend live or dj would be allen&heath
for studio would be mackie control.

it depends on your uses, if more audio or more midi, booth, studio/live, budget ect.

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 Post subject: Re: About korg zero 8 and ... alternatives???
PostPosted: Sun Dec 19, 2010 12:05 pm 

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Thanks very much for the detailed post man!

I show the zero 8 in the last days (even if is there for years) and i fell in love with it!
It was exactly what i needed for my semi-live/DJ set but all these bad words... you know

fx23 wrote:
there are lots of alternatives: Allen&Heat Xzone 4D, Maudio NRV-10, Eclerc EVO_5, M_audio ProjectMix IO, yamaha, Mackie Control or onyx series, D4,Alesis Master control, euphonix, novation remote Sl, evoluction UC 33, BCF 2000, VCM-600...


Xone 4D seems to be the perfect solution but i cant afford it :p

ProjectMix, Mackie Control, euphonix, BCF 2000 etc are limited to knobs and more for studio use imo...

VCM-600 cloud be perfect too if had 8 channels

UC33 is already in my mind as the best low-budget solution (launchpad - uc33 - A2DJ) but again not enough buttons for cue / channels-devices selectors etc....
I can still re-map the launchpad but i hate changing pages (its easy to f--- up things)

NOW!!! about the MACKIE ONYX 1620I ...
is EVERYTHING mappable via firewire? (every fader-knob-button )

If yes i think we may have a winner here ...

thanks again

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 Post subject: Re: About korg zero 8 and ... alternatives???
PostPosted: Sun Dec 19, 2010 12:28 pm 

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yeah mackie is rock solid, but i don't know if everything is mapable sorry,
if so indeed i would go for it. i got an old cr16 original that still works flawlessly despite it's old age.
Xzone is inedeed the caviar but pricey and i heard it suffered from few bugz too.
uc33 really worth the price but personally i don't like the faders, they need quite some pressure to move.
on the contrary BCF faders are better but i prefer real knobs, i don't like encoderz. yeah im a boring guy ;)
and like you say VCM would merit to be in 8 setup...
so hard choice...

i sell ya my zero :mrgreen:

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 Post subject: Re: About korg zero 8 and ... alternatives???
PostPosted: Sun Dec 19, 2010 1:57 pm 

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just read about mackie ... supports only firewire outs if i understand correctly

SO

fck it ... ill go for vcm-600 and remap the 2 return faders to give me track 7 and 8 volumes

also this shit looks very well build and i much prefer usb over firewire ...

Edit: what i have in mind ...

- launchpad with scene launch off to avoid mistakes (maybe remap to something usefull)
for
launching clips
playing drumracks in user 1
playing notes (custom maped scales) in user 2
(no mixer mode at all)

vcm-600 mapped like this

Image

- 2 DJ decks with the classic eq, kills and basic fx
- 4 instruments (4x128 sounds) tracks with their own fx / dynamics (fixed EQ's)
- 2 loop tracks
- loads of fx and filters for sends - ins and master

In live, clips for instrument tracks everywhere (oneshot,offbeat,4/4,2/4,8,16,32 etc) and plenty of dummys with fx automation and mix going on...

i should be busy enough for some years

Around 12 kilos pack in a bag with a mbp, a2dj, headphones, usb hub, cables, a porn movie, a souvlaki etc ;p

bless Christmas

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 Post subject: Re: About korg zero 8 and ... alternatives???
PostPosted: Sun Dec 19, 2010 4:48 pm 

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lol yeah that sound like a cool complete setup.

it's cool to have lighted buttons on vestax, and also it seems much handy to transport than a zero too.

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