Prime Loops are amazings

[Tone Deft]

But to make a whole track from loops is obviously lame

That goes without saying, and that has never been the premise for this/these discussion(s); also, I am absolutely certain that nobody around here makes whole tracks from these loop packs. The whole debate revolves around a single poster's fervent opposition to the very concept of loops.

how would you know if you weren't versed in every single loop library out there?

who cares? if the music is good, it's good. lots of great albums are made with heavily sampled material. that's not the same as loop libraries but I couldn't call those guys out.
-Daft Punk
-DJ Shadow
-Nightmares On Wax
etc


this is purely an ego thing, with whats-his-face in the lead.

[H20nly]

this thread makes more sense if you read it backwards.

[Tone Deft]

if you watch Jaws backwards it's the story of a shark that makes people.

[H20nly]

^ nice.

what astounds me is that a certain grumpy forum member can knock people for recycling loops, but his posts are... well, recycled loops.

the pot calls the kettle round.

if you read those posts backwards... Ableton becomes badass again and his input becomes relevant.

[mass675]

But to make a whole track from loops is obviously lame

That goes without saying, and that has never been the premise for this/these discussion(s); also, I am absolutely certain that nobody around here makes whole tracks from these loop packs. The whole debate revolves around a single poster's fervent opposition to the very concept of loops.

I was trying to make that point but it was always ignored.

Without the premise that there is a wave of lamers successfully duping the record industry and buying public with a stream of tracks, solely made of pre-made loops stuck together with no musical input his argument falls somewhat flat.

Came across this website http://www.whosampled.com which is quite an eye opener to the use of samples across the industry, Alicia Keys new single "speechless" is pretty much a single Kanye West sample with her vocals. Im now even more confused so I might just buy a banjo.

[Tone Deft]

if you read those posts backwards... Ableton becomes badass again and his input becomes relevant.

[mattadms]

edit: .. decided not to say anything anymore and deleted my reply.

[macmurphy]

if you watch Jaws backwards it's the story of a shark that makes people.

[The Leveller]

edit: .. decided not to say anything anymore and deleted my reply.

Probably wise.

[lasersounds]

what were you guys even arguing about again?

[The Leveller]

No to worry, PrimeLoops have just released 'RnB Dance Anthems 2'

W00t! I can sing and dance like a fey little puppet for Gaddafi after all!

[The Carpet Cleaner]

Just like with everything else, the real fun isnt just using loops but chopping them up and creating something new out of them, and in that case it doesnt really count whether its a field-recording of your old grandma hitting some snares at 10bpm or PrimeLoops.

its not the same because generic loops or stolen parts from record hold an atmosphere that actually carrys a track regardless wether you swap 2 notes around or not..

thats an absolute illusion that you make something new without drastical changing the sound itself .. to make something new out of comercial loops you have to mangle them a lot.. otherwise the vibe of the original production will prevail and make the result sound like having heard before...

Opposite to your grannys snares..they are fresh and new..unheard material... not the same synth sound as in hundred of other records ..

So your granny makes fresher sounds than you.. isnt that odd?


That of cause dont applys to everybody..but in general..people that are so creative that they mangle loops to the extend that you have really something new dont need comercial loops.
They mostly do it with their grannys snares.. no rule without an exception.. but the use of such primeloop packs makes the user look like beeing on the fake side of things..wether thats just a cliche or fits only you and your audience can decide..in any case its no good cooking to use instant meals as source material.. And only rarly the edproduct is tasty in case a good cook was at work..
But how many bad cooks are there for one good one?

dude I do agree with this point !
"its not the same because generic loops or stolen parts from record hold an atmosphere that actually carrys a track regardless wether you swap 2 notes around or not.." well said.

[sporkles]

what were you guys even arguing about again?

Whether or not Mac is superior to PC.

[H20nly]

what were you guys even arguing about again?

Whether or not Mac is superior to PC.

and why the APC 40 cost more in Europe than the U.S.

[keppy]

just ask yourself..

would you like your kids to play with poo?