ze2be wrote:Hahaha! FunnyBrock wrote:+1seattletruth wrote:.. its like drawing the Mona Lisa with a coloring book; first of all its not original and second of all it involved no thinking.
However, there are exeptions. What about Gaudi? Hes mossaics was made from ceramics not created by him. He ordered them crushed to pieces, and directed hes crew to put it back together in new shapes. Now thats a cheater for you!!
In music, Amon Thobin comes to mind, and dj Shadow, to name a couple. And not to forget the whole collage scene starting with Tape Beatles, People Like Us, and later copied and brickwalled by Prefuse 73, followed and developed further with a combination of samplism and acoustic musicians, by Flying Lotus (did you know he has family ties to John Coltrane)
pff..you guys allways use sample artists and collage artits as refference and justification for generic music production without any value or own idea behind..
In this thread its about the prime loops..they are actually 100% cheaters tools.. by concept and design..
magix music maker refills.
they sell theire stuff as inspirational tools to add individuality too your tracks.. an individuallity you buy from them ... tsss..
the question is.. is a piece of music individual and has an own strong idea behind ? than it dont matters what tools was used..
that applies very well to Amon Tobin who really takes a lot from old records but defently composes something new with it.. however the atmosphere is taken from the record.. but such things qualify as sampling art.
And Gaudi? i dont know what he has to do with it.. wether he uses ceramic bits or broken bottels or mud dont makes much difference..thats unique creation and nobody expects an architect to make theier own bricks.. gaudi acxtually did.. but that has nothing to do with sampling..thats rather recycling..
like when you would make tiny 50 ms grains out of an song and use that grains to build a string sound that wasnt even present in the original song.. that is of cause not using others musical ideas ...
Is it made from a premade construction kit? than its lamers work.. pretty easy to seperate.. at least when you know the loops they are selling here..But who knows all the loops?
So people get away with the cheating of the audience.
Any guy that uses them and sells theire hooks under his name should be actually blacklisted and blamed in public.. its fraud and when there would be a musicans union they would fight against pretending to do original work that is based on bought loops..
When you name guys that used samples succesfully for something individual and strong you better asked if they used premade sample loops.. and in case they do better credit the producers of the sample loops for theire individuality ...
as prime sound says..to add a spicy of individuality for your otherwise boring and lame output..
And they are cheap..
when you aim to be a releasing artist..and need such cheap loops to spice up your work with individuality or to get an idea.. you are in the wrong business.