Do we really need advanced midi features in piano roll ?

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Tweaking Knobs
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Do we really need advanced midi features in piano roll ?

Post by Tweaking Knobs » Tue Mar 22, 2011 10:37 am

of course !!!

bring them on !



Like flstudio ones :

* Piano Roll Arpeggiator
* Piano Roll Articulator
* Piano Roll Chopper
* Piano Roll Claw Machine
* Piano Roll Flam Tool
* Piano Roll Flip Tool
* Piano Roll LFO Tool
* Piano Roll Key Limiter Tool
* Piano Roll Menu
* Import MIDI Data Dialog
* Piano Roll Quantizer
* Piano Roll Randomizer
* Riff Machine
* Piano Roll Scale Level Tool
* Piano Roll Strum Tool

* Riff machine (Alt+E) - Opens the Riff machine "auto-hit-song" generator, but shhhhhh don't tell anyone you used it!
* Quick legato (Ctrl+L) - Performs a quick "legato" to the sequence in the Piano roll (applies only to the selection if any). This tool is a quick preset for the Articulate tool (see below).
* Articulate (Alt+L)- Opens the Articulate tool dialog which allows you to apply staccato, portato, legato and similar effects to the sequence in the Piano roll (applied only to the selection if any).
* Quick quantize ( Ctrl+Q) - Applies basic quantize to all selected notes/slides depending on the global snap setting in the Recording panel (if nothing is selected, applies to all).
* Quantize ( Alt+Q) - More advanced version of the quantize feature. Opens the Quantizer settings dialog.
* Quick chop ( Ctrl+U) - Slices long notes into many shorter, based on the global snap setting in the Recording panel (if nothing is selected, applies to all).
* Chop ( Alt+U) - More advanced version of the chop feature. Opens the Chopper settings dialog.
* Glue ( Ctrl+G) - Glue contiguous (touching) notes together.
* Arpeggiate (Alt+A) - A powerful arpeggiator based on specialized score presets. See Arpeggiator for more information.
* Strum ( Alt+S) - Shifts the timing and velocity of the individual notes in chords to simulate strumming (as in guitar playing and some other string instruments). See the Strum settings dialog.
* Flam (Alt+F) - Applies "drum flam" effect to the score (applies only to the selection if any). See Flam for more information.
* Claw machine (Alt+W) - Slices and re-times note sequences (applies only to the selection if any). See Claw machine for more information.
* Limit (Alt+K) - Allows you to transpose the score and limit it within a user-specified key range. See Limiter for more information.
* Flip (Alt+Y) - This tool can flip the score both vertically and horizontally. See Flip for more information.
* Randomize ( Alt+R) - Opens the Randomizer dialog where you can generate random note sequences based on a specific scale and/or randomize the note levels (including those of existing notes).
* Scale levels (Alt+X)- Allows you to multiply/offset/invert the events in the integrated event editor, as well as map events to a logarithmic or exponential scale. See Scale Levels for more information.
* LFO ( Alt+O) - Shows the LFO box, which lets you draw LFO-shaped events in the integrated event editor. Note that this feature is enabled only when in the property/event selector (15) type of event is selected, instead of a note property type.

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Re: Do we really need advanced midi features in piano roll ?

Post by Dalski » Tue Mar 22, 2011 10:52 am

Sounds great!

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Re: Do we really need advanced midi features in piano roll ?

Post by 3phase » Tue Mar 22, 2011 1:19 pm

better graphic ( again see opcode studio vision)

and
overlap correction..
lock events in time
delete double notes

multichannel support !!!

selction modes for channel. and voice split

draw modes for controlers


That would be actually enough and are all 1980-90´s midi sequencer standards that are still missing...
one wonders how one can create a pianoroll editor without theese


beside that the midi recording modes in ableton live are primitiv at best.. loop recording with automatic replace for example would be nice..or drummachine record modes wher you have an erease key.. so you can operate the cycle recording of drums without even looking at the computer..

in L8 the whole thimng turned finaly usable.. its not so much missing anymore..

in any case the graphic is a problem because you cant really edit without getting the editor way zoomed up..i have seen better solutions to stay editable on small editor windows

i well can life with all this random apregiator gimmicks the op mentions.. the midi plugs can be used for such experiments or additional midi plugs are thinkable.. but they want us to buy MFL..so unlikely to happen
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Re: Do we really need advanced midi features in piano roll ?

Post by spacecat » Tue Mar 22, 2011 1:21 pm

nice=)

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Re: Do we really need advanced midi features in piano roll ?

Post by mr.ergonomics » Tue Mar 22, 2011 8:30 pm

I don't need all off the stuff above but I like the way this thread is going.
I want a visible grid for the groove in the midi editor (yeah fl has this too)
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http://forum.ableton.com/viewtopic.php? ... ilit=+grid

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Re: Do we really need advanced midi features in piano roll ?

Post by Saxer » Tue Mar 22, 2011 8:37 pm

yes yes yes!

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Re: Do we really need advanced midi features in piano roll ?

Post by UncleAge » Tue Mar 22, 2011 10:58 pm

I'd be good if they did any 5 from above.

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Re: Do we really need advanced midi features in piano roll ?

Post by JuanSOLO » Wed Mar 23, 2011 12:19 am

YES!

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Re: Do we really need advanced midi features in piano roll ?

Post by crumhorn » Wed Mar 23, 2011 12:59 am

I'd be happy with folding or snapping to scales and chords - this would make editing a lot less fiddly than it is now.
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Re: Do we really need advanced midi features in piano roll ?

Post by simpli.cissimus » Wed Mar 23, 2011 1:49 am

Programming Chords and activating only a chosen Scale would make fast programming easy.

Something like in StudioOne and FL Studio...
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Re: Do we really need advanced midi features in piano roll ?

Post by UncleAge » Wed Mar 23, 2011 2:00 am

My guess is that most of that isn't in there because Ableton can't decide whether they want to make a DAW or an instrument for live use. And as long as that problem exists the app won't be great at either.

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Re: Do we really need advanced midi features in piano roll ?

Post by TheLion1 » Wed Mar 23, 2011 3:29 am

simpli.cissimus wrote:Programming Chords and activating only a chosen Scale would make fast programming easy.

Something like in StudioOne and FL Studio...
cant u use the midi effects for this, like Chord and Scale?

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Re: Do we really need advanced midi features in piano roll ?

Post by simpli.cissimus » Thu Mar 24, 2011 5:47 pm

TheLion1 wrote:
simpli.cissimus wrote:Programming Chords and activating only a chosen Scale would make fast programming easy.

Something like in StudioOne and FL Studio...
cant u use the midi effects for this, like Chord and Scale?
Do you play only one chord ?

It's very restricted to do it with the midi tools...

Try yourself and record the midi, then look at it and tell me it does always what you want.

I don't ask a software to do what I want to do, I just would like a little helper to work faster.
If I could set some key's to use for inserting a maj or min chord in one click, it would save me time and
I would have full control of the played notes that I program.

So easy, but helps so much...

I would also like to have a too that transposes from one Scale into another Scale,
not a midi tool! Kind of midi editing/changing feature...

Is that so much to ask for, or hard to realize....?
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Re: Do we really need advanced midi features in piano roll ?

Post by glysigakis » Sat Mar 26, 2011 2:07 pm

i like all the features above,hope in future version will add some of these.

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Re: Do we really need advanced midi features in piano roll ?

Post by Piplodocus » Sat Mar 26, 2011 7:07 pm

Yes!

Yes!

And Furthermore...

Yes!

Anything to help me program my drums and synths faster...

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