Why is my drum kit so QUIET!!

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vinwe
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Why is my drum kit so QUIET!!

Post by vinwe » Wed Mar 30, 2011 9:15 pm

Whenever I put drum kit into a channel.. and program a beat or whatever, it is really quiet compared to everything else, even if volume on full whack!... the kick I can hardly hear a lot of the time. Why why why!

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Re: Why is my drum kit so QUIET!!

Post by Khazul » Wed Mar 30, 2011 9:43 pm

Ever thought of turning the rest down?
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Re: Why is my drum kit so QUIET!!

Post by H20nly » Wed Mar 30, 2011 9:54 pm

it's the neighbors. your drums are trying to keep you out of trouble. it would be best to take this gesture of goodwill and run with it.
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Re: Why is my drum kit so QUIET!!

Post by pwoolar » Thu Mar 31, 2011 5:41 am

H20nly wrote:it's the neighbors. your drums are trying to keep you out of trouble. it would be best to take this gesture of goodwill and run with it.
this. :P

check your I/O and send/return settings to make sure you're sending the audio where you want and not off to a dead end. if everything checks out there, then I 'spose it's time to drop some gain on that sonuvabitch.

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Re: Why is my drum kit so QUIET!!

Post by crofter » Thu Mar 31, 2011 6:30 am

use bigger sticks
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Re: Why is my drum kit so QUIET!!

Post by ashtonron » Thu Mar 31, 2011 7:08 am

Utility audio effect is your friend
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just turn the gain knob up.
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Re: Why is my drum kit so QUIET!!

Post by ansiaaa » Thu Mar 31, 2011 7:15 am

how do you play your drumkit?
do you use some pad controller? it could be set to a low value, thus making the drum sound very low maybe.
or does it happen even if you draw a beat directly into Live?

does it happen even in an empty set with only the drumkit in it?
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Re: Why is my drum kit so QUIET!!

Post by Guff Tong » Thu Mar 31, 2011 9:15 am

As well as turning other tracks down, you can also use subtractive EQ on other tracks that may share the same frequencies as your beats. (Use a spectrogram to check the frequencies) May also help to split your drums to their own tracks so you can treat each type (kick, snare, hats) individually with eq etc...

In fact this topic is vast, there are so many ways to create separation for your component parts, mostly by allowing only the important frequencies of each particular track to shine through whilst suppressing other frequencies that are not needed.

ie: If you cut the sub bass from you kick you can help a bass line to poke thru.

Take the bottom end off of hats, other high frequncies high frequencies etc.. to allow kick/bass to get a look in.

Again, the last thing you want to be doing is turning stuff up.

NB: Be carefull not to go too far with subtractive EQ as you loose dynamics, less is more///


Oh, and layering's good: think of three kicks for example - one low end, one mid, one high bass - each sculpted with its own eq so that only the important frequency is heard.

Snares and can also be treated the same way with often a clap used for the high end. Phatten up further by turning quantize off and move some of the hits way from the beat - experiment maybe with track delay to achieve the same results. I've also split snare tracks in the past to a dedicated left/right track, setting one to delay by a few milliseconds for some really wide, in your face snares.

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Re: Why is my drum kit so QUIET!!

Post by esky » Thu Mar 31, 2011 9:19 am

What's the velocity value in your rack? Put it up...

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Re: Why is my drum kit so QUIET!!

Post by Cezband » Thu Mar 31, 2011 9:30 am

+1 for turning everything else down, and turning your monitors up. Headroom FTW :)
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Re: Why is my drum kit so QUIET!!

Post by Khazul » Thu Mar 31, 2011 10:39 am

Seriously - is live shipping with a new install option these day - 'uninstall brain'?
Nothing to see here - move along!

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Re: Why is my drum kit so QUIET!!

Post by Guff Tong » Thu Mar 31, 2011 11:10 am

Khazul wrote:Seriously - is live shipping with a new install option these day - 'uninstall brain'?
I know what you mean...most of the tips we offer are basic studio/audio practises that have been true for many years...

I couldnt afford shit all back then in Thatchers Britain but I had an idea of what I'd do if I had more than the 4 track cassette recorder and a very few fx etc...!!

These days, everythings a quick fix...new punters jump straight on with no musical legacy expecting it all to fall into place.

S'all good though, gives me something to do other than work and stumbleupon. :wink:

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Re: Why is my drum kit so QUIET!!

Post by The Leveller » Thu Mar 31, 2011 11:43 am

Guff Tong wrote:new punters jump straight on with no musical legacy expecting it all to fall into place.
Et Voila. Non-musicians wondering why they can't make music.

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Re: Why is my drum kit so QUIET!!

Post by Cezband » Thu Mar 31, 2011 11:58 am

The Leveller wrote: I often wonder why I am unable to win the Masters golf tournament despite owning some golf clubs...good ones too.
:lol: Can I put this on a tshirt?
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