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BPM Issues - Global BPM incorrect - Out of Time - Live 8.2.1

Posted: Tue Apr 05, 2011 9:01 am
by WFTD
Hi All,

Just recently I have noticed that the BPM is wrong/incorrect when I open a session.

All my tracks have been warped previously and worked fine, but for some reason now they run slower. The Global BPM says 128, but I have to push it up to just over 135 for the track to sound correct. By opening and starting Ableton a few times it seems to sort it out, but this is a bit worrying especially with a gig this weekend!! Any ideas on what is causing this??

As I say:
* All tracks have been warped correctly (as worked previously)
* Using version Ableton 8.2.1 (not upgraded for a while though)
* Automap is opening automatically when opening Live (would this be causing issues)

Thanks all, I really appreciate your help

Welfare for the Digital

Re: BPM Issues - Global BPM incorrect - Out of Time - Live 8.2.1

Posted: Wed Apr 06, 2011 6:15 am
by cids
Maybe it's a samplerate issue? 44k1/48K???

Re: BPM Issues - Global BPM incorrect - Out of Time - Live 8.2.1

Posted: Wed Apr 06, 2011 9:42 am
by WFTD
Hmmm....Ill have more of a play, but I havent changed any of those settings on there at all. Ill have anohter look tonight though.

Bit of a NOOB question, but how would that affect it so dramatically?

Re: BPM Issues - Global BPM incorrect - Out of Time - Live 8.2.1

Posted: Wed Apr 06, 2011 9:55 am
by cids
If the playback settings and your aid card settings are not the same then you'll have a (approx.) 10% bpm difference (eg 44k1/48k)...

Re: BPM Issues - Global BPM incorrect - Out of Time - Live 8.2.1

Posted: Wed Apr 06, 2011 10:28 am
by Khazul
That an odd tempo change for a pure unwarped 44.1/48k sample rate issue - would have expected closer to 140 to be needed.

128->135 is about right for a 1 semi tone pitch up however (ie like playing a record, 128->135 is just under 6% up on the pitch slider) if that helps.
Sampels in repitch mode perhaps with wrong pitch?

Odd that it should sometimes load OK.

Re: BPM Issues - Global BPM incorrect - Out of Time - Live 8.2.1

Posted: Wed Apr 06, 2011 12:29 pm
by ikeaboy
cids wrote:If the playback settings and your aid card settings are not the same then you'll have a (approx.) 10% bpm difference (eg 44k1/48k)...
Most likely explanation

Re: BPM Issues - Global BPM incorrect - Out of Time - Live 8.2.1

Posted: Fri Nov 01, 2013 9:15 am
by fimpson
I'm having this problem in Live 9... going into preferences and changing the sample rate to 48k fixes the problem - my Focusrite Scarlett 2i4 must be defaulting to 44.1. any way I can make it default to 48k so I don't have to change every time I boot up live?

Re: BPM Issues - Global BPM incorrect - Out of Time - Live 8.2.1

Posted: Fri Nov 01, 2013 10:11 am
by TomViolenz
I don't know the answer to your question, but shouldn't you try to adjust it the other way around? As far as I know 44k is for music and 48k is for movies. Or are you making soundtracks?!

Re: BPM Issues - Global BPM incorrect - Out of Time - Live 8.2.1

Posted: Fri Nov 01, 2013 1:19 pm
by fimpson
yeah I think you're right, the soundcard is for some reason set at 48, and don't know how to change it so I have to change Live's sample rate up to match. need to figure out how to change the 2i4's sample rate

Re: BPM Issues - Global BPM incorrect - Out of Time - Live 8.2.1

Posted: Thu Dec 12, 2013 11:27 am
by ukinko21
Hi guys!
I had the same problem on my macbook pro.
I have just changed in/out Sample Rate from 44100 to 48000 and it works fine.
:D