New Live controller

MrYellow · Post by **MrYellow** » Wed Feb 02, 2005 2:56 am

http://www.fingerworks.com/

Doesn't spit out graphics but is a similar thing and already tested etc.

Also very good for normal typing if you do a lot of it... programming and
such..... "gestures" mean you only need one hand rather than always
moving you're typing hands to the mouse....

-Ben

ncw · Post by **ncw** » Wed Feb 02, 2005 3:22 am

Bring on the nobs.

hacktheplanet · Post by **hacktheplanet** » Fri Feb 04, 2005 12:41 am

Forget an external interface, I'd rather have a big ass touch screen and control Live directly!

Vercengetorex · Post by **Vercengetorex** » Fri Feb 04, 2005 7:23 am

the_planet wrote:Forget an external interface, I'd rather have a big ass touch screen and control Live directly!

What we really need is big-ass multi-point touchscreens, with OS integration. Essentially for this to work, we need to have as many cursors in the OS as we have fingers on the screen. That way, you can grab 1-10 faders in Live on your big-ass-multi-point-touch-screen and manipulate them all simultaneously. Or you can grab the X-Y controller on ch2's grain delay, while tweaking the send on ch5. This technology, properly implimented, would eliminate the need for the hardware control surface.

Imagine triggering clips and scenes with a tap of the finger...

...ON THAT CLIP OR SCENE!!!!

Credo · Post by **Credo** » Fri Feb 04, 2005 7:46 am

yeah sure

waiting for OSC in Live and a dramatic drop of price...

C

leisuremuffin · Post by **leisuremuffin** » Fri Feb 04, 2005 11:10 am

MrYellow wrote:http://www.fingerworks.com/

Doesn't spit out graphics but is a similar thing and already tested etc.

Also very good for normal typing if you do a lot of it... programming and
such..... "gestures" mean you only need one hand rather than always
moving you're typing hands to the mouse....

-Ben

Meh, not nearly as impressive as lemur.

I think the strength of lemur is how much you can specialize the GUI.

lm

MrYellow · Post by **MrYellow** » Fri Feb 04, 2005 1:52 pm

Yeah and only 10x the price

Seriously tho, yeah fingerworks isn't really anything like it.... but
something that's good for people like myself who type for 16 hours a day.

I know moving my hand back and forth from the keyboard to the mouse
has cost me dearly. Not to mention having to pound keys.

Think you could hack up something like fingerworks to use a couple
of third-party software pointers sending mouse clicks. Would be
interesting to try. Graphical feedback is another deal.

Personally I'd like a 7-key keyboard (you play the letters something like
a saxophone) and a set of HUD glasses + an palm computer with a few
gig of RAM.

-Ben

buzzcock · Post by **buzzcock** » Fri Feb 04, 2005 3:48 pm

Vercengetorex,

I'm in complete agreement with your Multi-touch screen controller. Lemur seems like a cludgy intermediate step.

I'm envisioning two 30" multi-touchscreens, enough to make visable (and tangible) all host apps and plug-ins at once!

Only problem is does this technology exitst? Or is it on the way? I can't seem to find any information about it. You've mentioned the topic a number of times-- do you have some info on it or just day-dreaming like the rest of us?

sweetjesus · Post by **sweetjesus** » Fri Feb 04, 2005 4:02 pm

I say bring back the laser harp.

The hell with all that stuff... I have heard from some IT insiders that there is an interactive hologram device that's been prototyped by some big boys.

nickw · Post by **nickw** » Fri Feb 04, 2005 6:01 pm

I heard the bigger boys came and played with it and broke it and stole all the drink out the fridge.

Liam · Post by **Liam** » Sat Feb 05, 2005 4:44 pm

I'd wait and save a huge amount of money.

There is much cheaper technology coming soon. Laser light beam and infra-red keyboard - no physical device. It projects onto a desktop or whatever and reads your hand positions with the infrared.

Could be configured as a mixer etc etc

See Tom's Hardware - this story ran a few weeks ago.

Zakari Luk · Post by **Zakari Luk** » Sat Feb 05, 2005 6:19 pm

looks interesting, but for that price i would make my own custom one. or get an xzone 92.

it might be A controller for the future, but it will probably take some refining to make it THE controller for the future.

MrYellow · Post by **MrYellow** » Sun Feb 06, 2005 1:48 am

Projection Keyboards + Others

http://www.virtualdevices.net/
http://www.vkb.co.il/
http://www.canesta.com/

http://www.alpern.org/weblog/stories/20 ... oards.html

To me the angles seem wrong tho, the fingerworks solution looks up with
IR from below, which seems a bit better than looking back at your fingers
and sensing distance changes....

-Ben

MrYellow · Post by **MrYellow** » Sun Feb 06, 2005 1:59 am

1-hand keyboards - chording keyboards/mouse

This kinda thing.... (tho there are much better fitting examples)
http://www.handykey.com/

You play them like a single line instrument, saxophone or whatever....

1 = A
1+2 = B
1+2+3 = C
1+2+3+4 = D
1+2+3+4 = E
1+2+3+4+5 = F
1+2+3+4+5+6 = G
1+2+3+4+5+6+7 = H
2 = I
2+3 = J
2+3+4 = K
2+3+4+5 = L
etc etc

Steve Mann (the guy who has lived the longest as a "Cyborg") has a link
to code and designs for making your own somewhere. He's been living as
a walking computer since the 70-80's

http://wearcam.org/
http://wearcam.org/steve5.jpg

Some links..

http://lairds.org/Kyler/interfaces/Hardwear

-Ben

MrYellow · Post by **MrYellow** » Sun Feb 06, 2005 2:09 am

http://www.microopticalcorp.com/ (or similar)
+
7-key chording keyboard
+
A few midi controllers, laser range finder, touch strips, knobs
+
PocketPC (future) with lots of RAM or small form-factor PC with battery pack
+
Microphone
+
Live

= True portable studio, write music on the train, walking the dog, etc.

-Ben

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