H20nly wrote:^ hmmm.. very interesting point.
so what you're saying is; they make you pay... then, and only then, do you get to use the product and gain benefits from it.
now there's a unique concept.
The obvious comparison to be drawn is with Reaktor.
Reaktor basically has two types of content - user community stuff and premium instruments.
With the premium instruments, you have reaktor player - it only plays them and nothing else.
If you want to use the community patches and resources, well then you have to buy the full reaktor.
M4L has no free/cheap runtime only version hat can enable use of community stuff - neither does Reaktor.
M4L actually has no real premium content either - so no commercial need for a player/runtime version.
The only need for a free/cheap runtime/player version of either comes from users wanting something for nothing and compaining loudly when they dont get it - ie the usual bunch of free-loaders.
Now if the full version of M4L came with a bunch of real quality instruments and patches that even come slighly close to what reaktor offers, then maybe more people would buy it. Sadly it just doesnt even come close. Sure Robert henke has added some gems for free download, but they aint in the box and are not seen as part of the value proposition by users.
As it stands M4L is actually a pretty poor investment even thought its cheaper than reaktor. For a pure developer users (ie no interest in community patched) then its too crippled - mostly due to a lame atttempt by cycling to hope that you will pay even more money to them to get full accessable functionality of midi and audio I/O etc.
To my mind its a great concept, but the end result just seems rather poorly executed. maybe reaktor was as bad in its early days as well - I only got it recently as part of komplete. Now komplete to my mind has to be one of the best value for money investments that a producer can make these days at its recent price. M4L is one of the worst and MAX/MSP is far worse. I would say the same is true of Ableton Suite - compared to say Logic Studio 9, it does look very good on paper.
3phase does have a point even I if I dont agree about the validity of a free/cheap M4L runtime - we pay a premium price for relatively crippled and flakey software and content - SSL prices for Behringer quality as he might put it.
If anything I think the premium price should be for the runtime version and developers who get the full version and give to the community should get it for free - punish the free-loaders!