Filter plugin w/variable filter type LP/BP/HP blend?

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Filter plugin w/variable filter type LP/BP/HP blend?

Post by icedsushi » Mon May 09, 2011 11:32 pm

Moving on since development for FXpansion Guru was discontinued & the upgrade/transition from Guru to Geist would be just as time consuming as switching to something else. There's a lot of things that I liked about Guru, the workflow & FX, but I decided to use drum racks instead for simplicity & less dealing with plugin compatibility issues & bug reports. I also have Maschine, so I think maintaining, upgrading & learning Geist in addition to those 2 would be redundant on some levels.

There are only a few things I miss about Guru and they're some of the effects, particularly the filters & compressors. If I could replace those with something similar, I'm all set.

The Guru filters have a knob where the filter type was continuously blendable between LP/BP/HP. Combined with resonance, all those settings sweeping in between the filter types really yielded a lot of killer unique tones. Is there any filter plugin for Mac that has that feature I could replace the effect with.

The compressors in Guru really have more of a quick smack to them for percussion at the same db levels than other compressors. With much detailed tweaking, I haven't been able to achieve the same type of effect with the Ableton compressor, Sonalksis SV-315, Sonalksis TB3, or Vintage Warmer.

Any suggestions on FX similar to the filters & compression in Guru?

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Re: Filter plugin w/variable filter type LP/BP/HP blend?

Post by Khazul » Tue May 10, 2011 12:40 am

Sampler has a sort of state variable filter in it.
Mode 1 on live's compressor can be very clicky as well.
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Re: Filter plugin w/variable filter type LP/BP/HP blend?

Post by UncleAge » Tue May 10, 2011 3:00 am

Couldn't you come close to the setup in Guru by making an fx group of 4 AutoFilters with LP/BP & HP/BP volume(s) assigned to macros? If you flip the min/max on the BP filters' volume you could blend the LP/BP or HP/BP amount, no? It's 2 knobs instead of one but should be similar in results, I think...

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Re: Filter plugin w/variable filter type LP/BP/HP blend?

Post by UncleAge » Tue May 10, 2011 3:07 am

I'll also add that I think this is pretty simple to setup in Zebrify and you get a nice selection of filters. However, you have to own U-he's Zebra to get Zebrify (which is free to owners). And yes it does work on the Mac.

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Re: Filter plugin w/variable filter type LP/BP/HP blend?

Post by icedsushi » Tue May 10, 2011 11:11 am

Khazul wrote:Sampler has a sort of state variable filter in it.
Mode 1 on live's compressor can be very clicky as well.
I have Sampler & I'm only able to select the filter type with a drop down menu. It has more filters than Simpler but there's no blend function that I can see. Am I missing something?

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Re: Filter plugin w/variable filter type LP/BP/HP blend?

Post by garyboozy » Tue May 10, 2011 11:26 am

use the M12db, M24db or the SVF filters and fiddle around with Morph (underneath the filter selector)

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Re: Filter plugin w/variable filter type LP/BP/HP blend?

Post by icedsushi » Tue May 10, 2011 12:06 pm

OK, I'll try that & see how I make out. Any other filter or compressor plugins I could try?

Just sold Zebra unfortunately, so Zebrify isn't an option.

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Re: Filter plugin w/variable filter type LP/BP/HP blend?

Post by bodo » Tue May 10, 2011 12:47 pm

PSP N2O has got a great SVF with 'morphing' function, very tweakable too!
As far as compressors go, The Glue is pretty snappy, just an overall decent compressor.

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Re: Filter plugin w/variable filter type LP/BP/HP blend?

Post by ARDJ » Tue May 10, 2011 9:41 pm

Volcano has been my filter of choice for the last 6 mos, LOVE IT

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Re: Filter plugin w/variable filter type LP/BP/HP blend?

Post by arbee » Tue May 10, 2011 9:45 pm

the u-he uhbik bundle contains a really really nice filter called "runciter". it can actually use the LP / HP / BP at the same time. it might do the trick for you ?? have a look...

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the whole bundle is pretty amazing if you ask me !

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Re: Filter plugin w/variable filter type LP/BP/HP blend?

Post by necho » Tue May 10, 2011 9:48 pm

^ +1

I'm hopelessly addicted to the Uhbik bundle. The Runciter is one of my favourite plugins ever.
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Re: Filter plugin w/variable filter type LP/BP/HP blend?

Post by UncleAge » Wed May 11, 2011 4:00 am

I'm a Runciter fan as well, but... How would you set it up to act like the control in Guru? I was able to do it in Zebrify by setting up 3 filters and linking them to an x/y pad to adjust the amount of each (even though I know this is not exactly the same as an SVF). I'm not sure how you could set up one control to mimic that behavior with Runciter though.

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Re: Filter plugin w/variable filter type LP/BP/HP blend?

Post by icedsushi » Wed May 11, 2011 2:49 pm

Khazul wrote:Sampler has a sort of state variable filter in it.
Mode 1 on live's compressor can be very clicky as well.
garyboozy wrote:use the M12db, M24db or the SVF filters and fiddle around with Morph (underneath the filter selector)
OK, so I've been A/B'ing some of these ideas comparing with Guru & the Sampler morph function mentioned seems to get the closest of anything so far! It's not exactly the same, but it has the single control that blends between the 3 filter types so I definitely think I can work with this!

Also tried the N2O filters, but it's not really the same sound because there are 2 cutoffs with independent controls. It's a different sound than having a single cutoff frequency with a blend control. (Guess you could link the frequencies somehow with the assignable knobs.) Anyway, the N2O filters are really cool for other things but I didn't think it got close to the filter sound in Guru. Runciter looks to have 3 knobs instead of one blend making it flexible, but probably even more complicated. I demoed Uhbik twice & it's good but I wasn't really wild about the whole package compared to what I have.

Ableton compressor however isn't quite cutting it for this use. Using model FF1 as suggested, I get get a little closer with the clickiness, but I think I need to find a more "effect" sounding type compressor plugin that's more obvious, raw & lo-fi. I have Vintage Warmer, Mastercomp, SV315, TB3 and so far these don't really get there when I compare them side by side with Guru. Also tried Machine's compressors which are pretty decent but don't seem to give quite the same punch at the attack.

I think if Ohm Force made a compressor I'd be all over that. Any other ideas of punchy non-transparent compressors? :wink:

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Re: Filter plugin w/variable filter type LP/BP/HP blend?

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Re: Filter plugin w/variable filter type LP/BP/HP blend?

Post by icedsushi » Wed May 11, 2011 5:00 pm

Not yet, haven't heard of that one before.

Also does anyone know how to get a true AHR envelope for percussion sounds with Simpler or sampler? You can get kind of close in Sampler by setting the decay slope to -100% but the envelope doesn't quite look or sound like a true 100% hold so I'm not sure it's really the same thing.

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