[BUG] Ableton Live doesn't transmit keyboard press to VST

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nc2010
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[BUG] Ableton Live doesn't transmit keyboard press to VST

Post by nc2010 » Sat Jun 18, 2011 10:53 am

Hello,

When I have the focus on a VST window and I press the Key "Down" or "Up" on the keyboard, these keyboard events are NOT transmitted to the VST !

Even if I set "MIDI Keyboard Off" (CTRL+MAJ+K) in ABleton live, it's the same :

it seems that Ableton Live doesn't transmit all the keyboard events to the VST !
Thus , I cannot use the shortcuts from this VST !!


Help! Thanks

:idea: PS: this is available in Cubase with the option “PlugIns receive key commands” in the Preferences dialog.
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Re: Ableton Live doesn't transmit keyboard press to VST

Post by nc2010 » Sat Jun 18, 2011 2:50 pm

In Cubase there is an option called :

"PlugIns receive key commands”

that helps the VST to receive the key shortcuts !

Does this existe in Ableton Live ?

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Re: Ableton Live doesn't transmit keyboard press to VST

Post by Hermanus » Sat Jun 18, 2011 7:05 pm

See in preferences, midi, select track and remote for input and same for output, it should work.

Hope it helps you.

Best

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Re: Ableton Live doesn't transmit keyboard press to VST

Post by nc2010 » Sat Jun 18, 2011 7:31 pm

I'm not speaking about a MIDI keyboard, not speaking about "notes", I'm speaking about the "computer keyboard" :

when I press some keys like "F8", or "DOWN ARROW" or "UP ARROW" these keyboard events are not sent to the VST!
Even if the VST windows has the focus.

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Re: Ableton Live doesn't transmit keyboard press to VST

Post by nc2010 » Sun Jun 19, 2011 7:17 am

When I'm in a VST window, I would like that the keyboard shortcuts like F8 , UP arrow, DOWN arrow, ALT+P , etc. go to the VST !!! and not to Ableton !

How to do this?

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Re: Ableton Live doesn't transmit keyboard press to VST

Post by Hermanus » Sun Jun 19, 2011 1:11 pm

Open manual and read chapter 25.2.5

You'll have to keymap the keys you want

Or
you need something like Bome:

http://www.bome.com/products/miditranslator

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Re: Ableton Live doesn't transmit keyboard press to VST

Post by nc2010 » Sun Jun 19, 2011 2:24 pm

I know this mode (I just read 25.2.5 and I know this procedure) but it doesn't seem to make possible what I mean.

Imagine you have many Views in the VST (the view is NOT MIDI/key assignable like usual parameters that you can MIDI learn, etc.).
This VST (it is Steinberg Halion) is configured to receive things "F8" or any other keyboard letter in order to change the View.

This is not a key or MIDI learnable parameter (like in 25.2.5), do you see what I mean ?

Live will not transmit these keys to the VST...

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Re: Ableton Live doesn't transmit keyboard press to VST

Post by broc » Sun Jun 19, 2011 2:48 pm

I think it just depends on the VST.

For example, Reaktor VST understands the arrow keys for switching snapshots.

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Re: Ableton Live doesn't transmit keyboard press to VST

Post by nc2010 » Sun Jun 19, 2011 10:12 pm

Ok!
Interesting!

Halion doesn't seem to receive arrow keys...

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Re: [BUG] Ableton Live doesn't transmit keyboard press to VST

Post by nc2010 » Tue Jun 21, 2011 2:17 pm

:idea: We would need an option “PlugIns receive key commands” like the one available in Cubase in the Preferences dialog.

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Re: [BUG] Ableton Live doesn't transmit keyboard press to VST

Post by LeifonMars » Tue Jun 21, 2011 2:27 pm

So, it's not a BUG.
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Re: [BUG] Ableton Live doesn't transmit keyboard press to VST

Post by nc2010 » Tue Jun 21, 2011 2:31 pm

So, it's not a BUG.
Well, it is, because in other DAWs, this problem doesn't exist...

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Re: [BUG] Ableton Live doesn't transmit keyboard press to VST

Post by dom » Tue Jun 21, 2011 3:34 pm

http://www.ableton.com/de/pages/faq/options_text

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"EnsureKeyMessagesForPlugins"

This option solves a problem with certain VST Plugins (such as NI's Reaktor), where keyboard data does not reach the plugin.

Supported since: 7.0.2b3

Note: PC ONLY!

Example: -_EnsureKeyMessagesForPlugins

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ableton support team
support@ableton.com

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Re: [BUG] Ableton Live doesn't transmit keyboard press to VST

Post by Hermanus » Tue Jun 21, 2011 3:38 pm

Thank you Dom

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Re: [BUG] Ableton Live doesn't transmit keyboard press to VST

Post by nc2010 » Wed Jun 22, 2011 8:37 am

Hello,
Thank you dom, but I already tried this Options.txt trick with -_EnsureKeyMessagesForPlugins .

It doesn't change anything in Halion : impossible to browse between the files with UP / DOWN arrows.
These keyboard messages are not transmitted ....

Very strange !

Good luck!

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