worth the cash?

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Sleepy dinosaur
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Post by Sleepy dinosaur » Sun Jul 24, 2011 7:57 am

The local Live guru local to me doesn't seem to need money as he never answers emails regarding taking lessons to better learn live. I saw this course online and wondered if anyone had any experience.

I looked at Dubspot but I'm across the country and 5500 isn't realistic as its a hobby.


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Re: worth the cash?

Post by cabletone » Sun Jul 24, 2011 1:35 pm

courses are a scam, try and find someone else in your area to teach you. much better money spent, if you're going to spend the money.

or watch free videos on youtube there are lots of them and they are good. and when you have a question ask here.

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Re: worth the cash?

Post by Sleepy dinosaur » Sun Jul 24, 2011 9:20 pm

well, like I said, my local ableton specialist doesn't return emails. My hope was to meet someone and for say 1-2 1 hour sessions a week. I'd certainly pay for their time. I'm a hobbyist who'd like to know more so I can work more efficiently as opposed to fumbling around and getting agitated and giving up on what are, most likely, simple things. I also use Reason 4 as a loop making/sound creation tool and some extra knowledge there would be nice as well.

There are some very good videos on youtube, its true....I think a lot of those are answers to questions I have yet to ask. Like I said, I'm a newbie and am trying to adjust to a more open way of working and thats why i forked out for ableton instead of upgrading loci to pro and reason to whatever the newest version is.

I figured some videos with the basics along with email support for my questions would be enough

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Re: worth the cash?

Post by Khazul » Sun Jul 24, 2011 10:30 pm

IMHO any money spent on an abelton live course is usually far better spent on a generic recording and mixing course.

Once you have recording and mixing skills, then they translate into Live or any other DAW quite easily as you tend to know what to look for and the only problem is where to find it. Most DAWs are basically the same at some level - even Live.

OTOH - some random production course for Live might teach you where to find anything yuou could possibly ever want, but might leave you wondering wtf you would ever need it, or given some situation, leave you not knowing which tools to reach for and why etc.

Far more important to understand audio engineering than understand a specific DAW.

Hopefully those those who describe themselves as "Abelton Trainers" are precisely that - they teach you what Live can do and where its features are buried etc, but I wouldnt expect them to teach anything authentic about professional audio engineering practices as practiced in commercial studios by engineers with many many years of experience etc. They may however teach you a bunch of useful and semi-understood hacks :)

Personally I would especially avoid courses run by dance music producers rather than engineers.

Sometimes you can get lucky and get on a course that is actually run from a reputable commercial studio, however even then you may not actually be getting a propper engineer teaching you - just an ableton trainer - the engineers are naturally busy doing what they are supposed to be doing - ie enginnering.

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Re: worth the cash?

Post by Forge. » Mon Jul 25, 2011 3:19 am

scutheotaku wrote:What genres are you looking for?

If you are looking for either House tutorials or just general Live tutorials, I HIGHLY recommend the great videos at groove3. Very reasonable prices, and very good tutorials.
thanks for the recommendation!

To answer the OP - is there only one certified trainer near you? And if so did they not provide a phone number? Seems odd you can't get hold of anyone.... did you get them on this page?

I can't speak for other people's courses out there, but my personal opinion as a certified trainer is that I've thought about running courses and workshops but I FAR prefer teaching one on one and always recommend it as the best way.

Courses have to be fairly general to apply to everyone, which means that you'd be paying quite a chunk of cash and only learning what the course covers, whether it's exactly what you want or not.

With 1 on 1 training the first thing I always ask is "what are you into and what do you want to do?" - from that point on the session(s) is entirely focused on helping them with exactly what they want. IMO you just can't do better than that in a group setting.


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Re: worth the cash?

Post by Sleepy dinosaur » Mon Jul 25, 2011 4:01 am

Groove3 looks good and the price is great. I watched some of the video snippets and picked up a few things I didn't know. Its a real possibility.

As for the trainers, I only show one listed here. And I've decided that I'll skip on him. Obviously 1 on 1 would be best but its not in the cards. The things I ran into tonight were rudimentary things...I fought through them and blew an hour....then gave up. Which is what I want to avoid in the future. It was basic midi note editing and I just couldn't get what was happening, as easy as it seemed to me.


Thanks for the suggestions

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Re: worth the cash?

Post by kenporter » Mon Jul 25, 2011 6:23 am

I hope you're not in Phoenix, because if it's me you've emailed I never received an email from you. :)


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