Some more findings:Kontakt, Absynth, Alchemy, Sampler (yes-sampler) - Morphing
These tools all seem to do some kind of additive or spectral morphing but some don't make it clear which of these algorithms they use.
I stumbled upon a Sampler video in the Ableton website last night that has a tut on how to do exactly what I have been talking about. You can take a portion of a sample and loop it backwards, forwards or both. If I'm not mistaken, this is the granular part. Then you can click on the oscillator tab and add an AM or FM modulator.
Kontakt also does have a convolusion reverb which does produce some interesting stuff.
All these tools seems to work in similar ways.Xsynth/GRM Tools
XSynth is a Reason only plugin, and GRM Tools seems to be RTAS only.FM4
Will look in to this. Is this the Reaktor plugin? Anyone got experience with this?The bad news
I haven't been able to create a single useful sound. I've tried morphing all kinds of things. Loads of orchestral sounds with oscillators and so on. They all sound like crap, and they are all unusable except for a few songs where I might want some really wierd stuff that sounds like crap. But, this is probably just me because I know that other people have created cool sounds doing this stuff. The Acoustic Refractions bundle of sounds is a collection of Absynthy sounds bundled in to Kore. The problem is that I don't have Kore (I only have player) - so I can't actually get under the hood of Kore to see how these sounds were constructed. What I really need is a good tutorial on how sounds like these are created.
But, even the acoustic refractions sounds don't sound like Amon.The really bad news...
Someone else touched on it. It seems that the Amon Tobin sound comes from Kyma which is basically a kind of modular synth. Hooked up with the Haken Continuum it basically sounds exactly like Amon. The downside is that it costs thousands because you need to buy hardware (Pacarana) with it. This is an example that really is similar to Amon Tobin's stuff:http://www.symbolicsound.com/cgi-bin/bi ... SoundClipsA Rant
Tieing a piece of software to a piece of hardware is a @#$#ed up thing to do. I'm very angry at NI for doing it with Maschine but at least they are offering a tactile, useful device. The people above are only offering a stupid box that does not other than process the audio for the software. The hardware it boasts is just standard stuff. There's absolutely no need for them to tie these things together apart from the fact that if they don't, they will find it hard to make money off a lowly VST. To top it off, they have patents pending on these tools which guarantees that they will be sole vendors of the "Amon Tobin Sound".
I hope I'm not right about this stuff but it makes me angry to think that new synthesis techniques can be hoarded away from us mere mortals and kept guarded by the elite synthofiles who have enough money to buy this stuff. This is not a dig at Amon. If I had the money, I would buy this stuff along with the Haken Continuum. However, I just hope that time forces companies like Symbolic Sound to release the IP behind their techniques, or at least make it affordable for other people.
There's not much point in creating new synthesis techniques if other people cannot use them, open the up and play with them, find new uses for them, and help them evolve.Rant over