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 Post subject: Re: For production, why is Logic better than Ableton?
PostPosted: Fri Aug 26, 2011 8:57 pm 

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some people think logic sounds better?...i have logic and ableton.....i use ableton for midi stuff, because it is easier to use than logic for midi stuff....but for real life instruments....i record in logic....but honestly i haven't done too much of that lately....honestly i havent opened logic in a while.
so right now, ableton is my go to.

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 Post subject: Re: For production, why is Logic better than Ableton?
PostPosted: Fri Aug 26, 2011 9:15 pm 

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eddiex wrote:
some people think logic sounds better?...i have logic and ableton.....i use ableton for midi stuff, because it is easier to use than logic for midi stuff....but for real life instruments....i record in logic....but honestly i haven't done too much of that lately....honestly i havent opened logic in a while.
so right now, ableton is my go to.

Same here, worked with Logic for 10 years before I started to use Ableton.
Hardly ever use Logic nowadays...


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 Post subject: Re: For production, why is Logic better than Ableton?
PostPosted: Fri Aug 26, 2011 9:20 pm 

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Why not ask them why they feel the way they do instead of asking us ?

Also; I'm pretty sure your subject will make a lot of people totally ignore this thread. Because it kinda looks as if you already made up your mind that Logic is better and are now only wondering why it is so.

I doubt this is the way you intended it, just warning that many people may very well pick it up as such.

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 Post subject: Re: For production, why is Logic better than Ableton?
PostPosted: Fri Aug 26, 2011 10:00 pm 

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IMO Logic sounds better right out of the box. Its taken me awhile to find out how to make Ableton sound the same, particularly in the low end. Keep in mind Ableton is configured out of the box for live tweaking. And I do feel they made some strange decisions with default settings, like in Simpler for instance. Once you trick Ableton out a bit it sounds exactly the same.

Some things to do IMO - -
Raise velocity on Simplers/Samplers in drum racks from 0 to 60-70
Hi-Q mode on plugs when appropriate
turn off auto warp
turn off auto fade

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 Post subject: Re: For production, why is Logic better than Ableton?
PostPosted: Fri Aug 26, 2011 10:07 pm 

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nylarch wrote:
Some things to do IMO - -
Raise velocity on Simplers/Samplers in drum racks from 0 to 60-70

How do you do this? Does this make it so my velocity markers actually have an effect on velocity of the sound I get? It's been bothering me for a bit - can't get those hats right otherwise. THanks!


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 Post subject: Re: For production, why is Logic better than Ableton?
PostPosted: Fri Aug 26, 2011 11:27 pm 

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Logic and Ableton are both made in Germany


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 Post subject: Re: For production, why is Logic better than Ableton?
PostPosted: Sat Aug 27, 2011 12:14 am 

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How do you do this?


Click on the top slot in the drum rack so you can see the simpler/sampler. Raise velocity on that one then right click and choose "copy value to siblings".

You also might want to increase the release a bit and do the same to that param. And check out the many tutorials for saving this as a default for future drum racks.

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 Post subject: Re: For production, why is Logic better than Ableton?
PostPosted: Sat Aug 27, 2011 12:22 am 

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the one thing i really like better in logic than ableton is ultrabeat- the drum sequencer in logic is radical!!!! well to be specific....its easier to sequence.....drum rack is pretty awesome as far as being able to change samples.....but the sequencing in ultrabeat in logic is pretty alright!

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 Post subject: Re: For production, why is Logic better than Ableton?
PostPosted: Sat Aug 27, 2011 1:37 am 

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I think auomation are more beautilful in logic.


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 Post subject: Re: For production, why is Logic better than Ableton?
PostPosted: Sat Aug 27, 2011 2:27 am 

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ultrabeat


I agree UB sounds good but I really want some of what they were smoking when they designed the UI.

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 Post subject: Re: For production, why is Logic better than Ableton?
PostPosted: Sat Aug 27, 2011 2:51 am 

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As a simple home recordist and not much of a software expert, I use Logic for all the usual instrument/guitar recording of standard rock tunes I write and when I'm into doing electronic type stuff I go with Live.

Live just seems waaaay too clunky an interface for doing a production with recorded instruments outside of maybe using an instrument to create my own 4 or 8 bar audio clip for use in an electronic composition.

Conversely, Live is much more conducive to do electronic music than Logic for me.


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 Post subject: Re: For production, why is Logic better than Ableton?
PostPosted: Sat Aug 27, 2011 6:45 pm 

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Both sound great, top production done in both by top producers..

I think its more of a workflow thing and getting used to the devices in each. For example, at a certain point you need to work on 'arrangement view', and being a tool built completely on 'arrangement view' you may feel more comfortable mixing big projects in Logic. Ableton in the other hand is great for tracking audio, re-sampling and experimentation, and live use of course. Many people make top notch productions on it without any problem.

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 Post subject: Re: For production, why is Logic better than Ableton?
PostPosted: Sat Aug 27, 2011 7:50 pm 

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I was told to have a look at Ableton by a lad who was switching from Logic, I'm pretty sure he still just uses Live. I've never used Logic but I've seen it in tutorials. I swapped from Reason and it was a move I am extremely glad I made.

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 Post subject: Re: For production, why is Logic better than Ableton?
PostPosted: Sat Aug 27, 2011 9:54 pm 

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bunch of sheep baa logic sounds better than live baa
used to be Pro Tools that got that accolade
its just showing off to the noobs
its not clever-big fish small pond

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 Post subject: Re: For production, why is Logic better than Ableton?
PostPosted: Sun Aug 28, 2011 4:17 am 

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Pro is using Logic to finish his recording , mixing and mastering. You knew why.

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