...and because you don't hear a difference it's not there ???nathannn wrote:why do you guys keep on bringing this up on the ableton forums? its like you guys are purposely trying to confuse the shit out of people. you say you hear something that most of us dont hear and then get pissy because we dont hear it. i have said this before, no one can tell you that you are not hearing something (maybe ableton does sound like shit to you) then stop using it or come up with a real example of it sounding like shit and then report it in the bugs section.
i just want to make music and not get side tracked on what daw sounds better because for me ableton live sounds better because i know it the best.
here is the only type of test i would want to see that would make me thinl OK maybe ableton does make some things sound like shit:
1. record all live instruments into two different computers/daws at the same time using the same audio card on both systems (this can be synth or classical instruments voice ect.)
2. record your self using a midi controller split that into two daws using the exact same vstis.
3.all settings on everything in the recording must be the same in each daw
4. make at least 20 tracks (we are talking about a real song here not recording white noise)
5. bounce it all down using the same settings in each daw and then we can finally hear if there is a real difference!
my bets are that most people will not hear anything different.
I am pretty serious about this sound quality thing and I did a test.
I tested Live, Cubase SX 5 and StudioOne using only VST synth and VST effects.
I used Superior Drummer and other software, all together with VST-effects in the mixer.
Did all tests without bouncing down anything, because I also wanted to test how much CPU will be used.
I started with Live and stopped when I hit 50% CPU.
I saved the project and went over to Cubase and then to StudioOne.
Cubase had almost the same CPU consumption like StudioOne.
It was 25% CPU drain in exact same set-up while Live was on 50%.
That showed me how bad Live handles VST's at all.
Now to the sound.
Cubase was not close to be grainy like Live sounds.
Cubase was sounding good at all testing and gave fine results.(still don't like the workflow)
Only StudioOne impressed me with it's crystal clear sound.(..and nice workflow)
I think it must be, because StudioOne internally works at 64bit even on a 32bit OS.
(and the programmers have programmed Nuendo3)
I know that my private test is not a scientific test, but I did a test for my work situations.
Mostly I use a lot VST's and need a stable efficient software for that.
I can make things sound good in Live too, but when I do the same in StudioOne it's better.
You'll see when Live 9 is out, that the sound engine will change and get better.
I think Live 9 will work internally at 64bit too.