is bitwig an ableton product

Discussion of music production, audio, equipment and any related topics, either with or without Ableton Live

is bitwig L9?

no. it's a fresh independant new concurrent
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63%
yes. it's in fact L9. a dissimuled gag/hoax
27
22%
yes and no.a live rewrite,without bw,keeping live dev 4 a while
14
11%
other. specify
4
3%
 
Total votes: 122

Angstrom
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Re: is bitwig an ableton product

Post by Angstrom » Mon Jan 23, 2012 5:08 pm

this picture looks like a dog to me,
so from this picture I can deduce that dogs will be barking in the sky now
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this one looks like a bird,
so from this picture I deduce that birds are made of moisture now
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this picture looks like Ableton Live,
so from this picture ... (fill in your own deduction from a picture here)
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Re: is bitwig an ableton product

Post by fx23 » Mon Jan 23, 2012 5:25 pm

the two pictures look like clouds to me.
the last picture looks like ableton live refreshed, not sure what i can conclude

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Re: is bitwig an ableton product

Post by Angstrom » Mon Jan 23, 2012 5:28 pm

cmarn,
surely we can deduce a corporate structure from an image?

this is the internet man.
try!

:twisted:
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Re: is bitwig an ableton product

Post by fx23 » Mon Jan 23, 2012 5:30 pm

yup sorry :)

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Re: is bitwig an ableton product

Post by simmerdown » Mon Jan 23, 2012 5:34 pm

i conlude frooty loops bent ableton over against its will

bet there will be many standard Live features left out just for expediency, or intellectual property conflicts...all the hype is just that so far, hype...

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Re: is bitwig an ableton product

Post by leonard.cucos » Thu Jan 26, 2012 4:11 am

Quiz for people asking: Is this "Ableton or not"

1. Can Session \ Arrangement view be separated in two different windows?
2. Do you have multiple monitor support?
3. Do you have intuitive arrangement view?
4. Can Multiple users jam on the same document, everything being able to be captured in the document's
arrangement?
5. Do you have deep midi editing?
6. Is this multi-platform? No, no, no. Linux included! (?)

Well, I don't fuckin' care if it looks like Live, done by Ableton or not.
For me and for other million artists out there (sick of emulating stuff trough wine), being able to go native on the most advanced system in the world (meaning Linux) is the best news ever!
Cheers and all the best!
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Re: is bitwig an ableton product

Post by nathannn » Thu Jan 26, 2012 4:54 am

deduce
The Push / Novation Launch Pad / Novation Launch Pad Pro / Novation Launch Key
/ Launch Control XL / Machine MkII / Machine Studio / BeatStep / Livid OhmRGB / Livid Code V2 / Apc 40 MKII

no computers or synths

20 Copies of Ableton Live Lite.

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Re: is bitwig an ableton product

Post by mholloway » Thu Jan 26, 2012 7:18 am

I thought I'd seen the depths of internet-bred idiocy but for the music-tech community, this has got to be an all new low. Just unbelievable. Ableton_David shows up to dispell what was already the dumbest of dumb "rumors," says point blank "you guys are wrong" and yet STILL they post their nonesense "yeah but it still could be Live 9!!"

I'm done with any further bitwig discussion until it's released, thanks to this thread and any others like it. I simply can't take it. New low reached. Goodbye.

-M
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my dark jazz / noir music made with Ableton Live: https://michaelarthurholloway.bandcamp. ... guilt-noir

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Re: is bitwig an ableton product

Post by Tone Deft » Thu Jan 26, 2012 7:21 am

"fuckwittery knows no bounds on the Ableton forum."
-popslut
oddstep wrote:I agree with all of this. I'm just bored of writing "its music, just listen and trust your judgement"

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Re: is bitwig an ableton product

Post by ollyb303 » Thu Jan 26, 2012 8:12 am

Aargh! Idiots!!!

Surely it's pretty public knowledge exactly how bitwig was formed and who's involved...

I'm pretty sure that if/when Ableton's next product/upgrade is released, it will be Ableton-branded.

Fuckwits.
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Re: is bitwig an ableton product

Post by fx23 » Thu Jan 26, 2012 1:32 pm

leonard.cucos wrote:Quiz for people asking: Is this "Ableton or not"

1. Can Session \ Arrangement view be separated in two different windows?
2. Do you have multiple monitor support?
3. Do you have intuitive arrangement view?
4. Can Multiple users jam on the same document, everything being able to be captured in the document's
arrangement?
5. Do you have deep midi editing?
6. Is this multi-platform? No, no, no. Linux included! (?)
quizz for you: how many of these request where ableton live main requests? like about 100 percent?
mholloway wrote:I thought I'd seen the depths of internet-bred idiocy but for the music-tech community, this has got to be an all new low. Just unbelievable. Ableton_David shows up to dispell what was already the dumbest of dumb "rumors," says point blank "you guys are wrong" and yet STILL they post their nonesense "yeah but it still could be Live 9!!"
to people that don't tolerate reflexion, just go kill yourself. If you beleive everything we tell you on
the internet officially that's a good thing for you. i dont, that don't mean i got to be insulted. I prefer beeing
a fuckwit that question itself than a sheep taking all we 'officially' say as valid and accept without reflexion.
Were all phone manufacturers saying officially they tracked your datas until they were 'officially' discovered recently? Was ableton officially commenting on PDC issues as long as users weren't insisting on that, or did they bring the share feature or other they were 'officially' announcing? does evey corporation inform the user on who got share parts in it?
does re-branding exists?
As said earlier i took david answer as 'official' and accepted the idea that they were two products/compagnies, so then i didn't say it was L9 anymore please re-read if you are able to. i just don't beleive that if so there weren't kind of deal/co lab if they were in good terms, and afirmed that i was, and am still convinced bitwig video demo was made by same people that made anterious live demos, this and the fact it was 1:1 abused clone oriented me to the co-lab scenario.perfect . so ok now if i take the official answer as valid, i assume no -collab but clash, and if so i deduce personally that bitwig is the ex-ableton core that had the balls to rewrite, and that ableton lost a big part of the pgm team , wich explain all the L8 mess, and is about to take a giant front hit in the face and pay the price of the non-rewrite at the time it should have done it. that certainly is good for user/concurence and quality of the two products, but is not for ableton.
the 3 or more scenarios are totally possible imo, and 36 percent wondering is not low enough to un-validate that question.
there are lot of case in history when majority doesn't mean intelligence. David ghetta is a majority accepted good artist.. long life to fuckwits' cheers guys

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Re: is bitwig an ableton product

Post by gorillaknuckles » Thu Jan 26, 2012 3:13 pm

Its really just a pack of hissy teenage girls populating this forum, isn't it?

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Re: is bitwig an ableton product

Post by Angstrom » Thu Jan 26, 2012 3:33 pm

gorillaknuckles wrote:Its really just a pack of hissy teenage girls populating this forum, isn't it?
that would make the whole thing a lot more tolerable / sexy / illegal

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Re: is bitwig an ableton product

Post by JuanSOLO » Thu Jan 26, 2012 3:42 pm

No, no ones really a teenage girl, but some just refuse to believe it and keep trying to make it so.

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Re: is bitwig an ableton product

Post by regretfullySaid » Thu Jan 26, 2012 4:19 pm

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