is bitwig an ableton product

Discussion of music production, audio, equipment and any related topics, either with or without Ableton Live

is bitwig L9?

no. it's a fresh independant new concurrent
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63%
yes. it's in fact L9. a dissimuled gag/hoax
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22%
yes and no.a live rewrite,without bw,keeping live dev 4 a while
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11%
other. specify
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3%
 
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Re: is bitwig an ableton product

Post by simmerdown » Thu Jan 26, 2012 4:35 pm

excuse me, i am a teenage girl, and i've got twice the common sense of all y'all put together

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Re: is bitwig an ableton product

Post by JuanSOLO » Thu Jan 26, 2012 4:41 pm

simmerdown wrote:i've got twice the common sense of all y'all put together
I'm not sure that amounts to much :|

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Re: is bitwig an ableton product

Post by icedsushi » Thu Jan 26, 2012 4:53 pm

Once Ableton come out with a 64 bit version & especially if they include automation to session view, and Bigwig beta is released including bugs & quirks of it's own, I think interest in Bitwig will become subsided. It at least would be brought down from the clouds to being just another option available.

A new broom sweeps clean, and there's no way for anyone to know the little things already contained in Ableton that are actually missing from Bitwig until they've actually launched the program & tried to make music with it. We've only been told a few of the major things it has as selling points. So it's not safe to assume it will automatically include every feature Live has to offer with just this extra icing on the cake.

It amazes me the comments of intricate user experience type comparisons like it has "a better workflow", etc stated almost as if it's fact. Sure, that could be a possibility, but there's no way to know about user experience & workflow from a 30 second video and a few screen shots. It can take months of using a program to get a good idea of what an efficient workflow is with that program. The assumptions made about something that hasn't even been released yet are getting a bit out of hand. Besides a few overview type generalities, it's simply impossible to come to any conclusion how it compares to Ableton at this point. I think it's mostly the tension from the wait of Live 9 that people suddenly make their hopes reality in their own mind.

It probably wouldn't be a great idea to switch completely and right away anyway, most small business failures happen within the first 2 years with probability of failure being less & less each year thereafter...

The only feature that peaks my interest in the Bitwig announcement (that I also can't be reasonably sure of it coming to Ableton) is "generic tracks" where audio & midi should be able to reside on the same track. That sounds like something that could really help clean things up & reduce that amount of tracks needed. It would be nice to keep the midi clips on the same track after rendering to audio instead of saving them on another midi track or in a folder somewhere. But still have no idea how well or seamless that would be implemented...

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Re: is bitwig an ableton product

Post by milfhuntr » Thu Jan 26, 2012 5:17 pm

I try to imagine a name as horrid as ableton (sounding like a nerdy chess program named chesston or a drawing program called pencilton.) But in my sickest imagination, I did not think up a name as horrid as bitwig. Perhaps earwig, a bug that gets in your ears while you are asleep and drives you mad, would be the only thing worse.

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Re: is bitwig an ableton product

Post by regretfullySaid » Thu Jan 26, 2012 5:52 pm

Earwig is much better. At least it's tangible.
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Re: is bitwig an ableton product

Post by nathannn » Fri Jan 27, 2012 3:43 am

simmerdown wrote:excuse me, i am a teenage girl, and i've got twice the common sense of all y'all put together
im also a teenage girl.
im also an elephant.
i am anything i want to be on the internet.
now im a bag of sugar.


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Re: is bitwig an ableton product

Post by simmerdown » Fri Jan 27, 2012 5:38 am

it was a joke

wait, are you really an elephant

jesus, help

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Re: is bitwig an ableton product

Post by nathannn » Fri Jan 27, 2012 5:48 am

no, im a bag of sugar.
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Re: is bitwig an ableton product

Post by pencilrocket » Fri Jan 27, 2012 7:29 am

If SOPA/PIPA, ACTA come into force, the BW will be suspended by the owner company of the original product. That is Ableton.
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Re: is bitwig an ableton product

Post by Machinesworking » Fri Jan 27, 2012 9:09 am

JuanSOLO wrote:
shadx312 wrote:It's in rehab.

WORD! And if they have a successful recovery, like most recovering addicts, they will outshine anything they have done previously.
We just won't talk about sober Aerosmith. :twisted:

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Re: is bitwig an ableton product

Post by regretfullySaid » Fri Jan 27, 2012 4:19 pm

or any other recovering addict :lol:
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Re: is bitwig an ableton product

Post by JuanSOLO » Fri Jan 27, 2012 4:21 pm

Machinesworking wrote:We just won't talk about sober Aerosmith. :twisted:
who is Aerosmith?

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Re: is bitwig an ableton product

Post by regretfullySaid » Fri Jan 27, 2012 4:25 pm

It's a band Liv Tylers mom used to sing in.
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Re: is bitwig an ableton product

Post by condra » Fri Jan 27, 2012 6:08 pm

glitchrock-buddha wrote:I knew that bitwig would cause a stir in the ableton world, but I never imagined people would go so far as to suspect it is actually Ableton trying to fool people into thinking it's a new program. Even for the Ableton forum that's a little out there.
It would be a pretty fucked up thing to do. I can’t see it.

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Re: is bitwig an ableton product

Post by djstevenjames » Tue Jan 31, 2012 9:42 pm

Hey guys, found this new forum and a post in there regarding this Ableton / Bitwig thing:

http://www.bitwigbeats.com/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=11

Very interesting ;)

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