Do LIVEs automations or tempo SYNCed plugs go out of time?

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RD444
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Do LIVEs automations or tempo SYNCed plugs go out of time?

Post by RD444 » Thu Mar 15, 2012 2:31 pm

How bad is Lives Automation delay? (any advice welcome)

I have read in a few post that: If i add loads of automation then 'add or remove' plugins, then the automation can play totally out of time.

Usually I like to record a few bits of steady automation.

But lately i have a few "talky" sounds that require 'fast and precise' movements (to sound rhythmic)
and also i am looking into tempo synced plugs for filer automation.

Will LIVEs automation or tempo SYNCed plugs go out of time?
"Plugin Delay compensation -PDC WARNING - Ableton Live 9 does not sequence all information correctly in time"
The bigger the project the more out of time it will be.

RD444
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Re: Do LIVEs automations or tempo SYNCed plugs go out of time?

Post by RD444 » Thu Mar 15, 2012 11:30 pm

Is this a problem all systems?

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mattverzola wrote: 1) Fix the automation delay. This is the biggest hurdle I have with Live, the biggest single issue that causes me headaches and makes me think of Live as anything less than a professional piece of software. I work on my projects on multiple computers, and as the lag changes on those systems my automation changes its sync. Even on a 1 system setup, as my project grows and the lag increases, I have to rewrite my automation to adapt. PLEASE FIX THIS.
"Plugin Delay compensation -PDC WARNING - Ableton Live 9 does not sequence all information correctly in time"
The bigger the project the more out of time it will be.

RD444
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Joined: Tue Oct 19, 2010 3:59 pm

Re: Do LIVEs automations or tempo SYNCed plugs go out of time?

Post by RD444 » Fri Mar 16, 2012 6:05 pm

Answer is YES

adding and removing plugins will make automation even volume go totally out of time

Its a bit real for a 'PRO' bit of software - being totally out of sync
A technically minded person on another forum wrote:I can only speculate they add up the latency of all plugins in the chain, and then feed the track audio "early" by this amount, and send timeposition info as if there is no latency. For them to fix it they would need to send timeposition values offset (unique timeposition info for every plugin which has latency-inducing plugins before it), based on the latency sum prior to the plugin.


http://forum.ableton.com/viewtopic.php? ... 7#p1387997

http://forum.ableton.com/viewtopic.php? ... tion+delay

http://forum.ableton.com/viewtopic.php? ... tion+delay

http://forum.ableton.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=160107
"Plugin Delay compensation -PDC WARNING - Ableton Live 9 does not sequence all information correctly in time"
The bigger the project the more out of time it will be.

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