Why would you ever want 'Vol < Vel' value to be not 100%?

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Citizen
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Why would you ever want 'Vol < Vel' value to be not 100%?

Post by Citizen » Mon Jul 23, 2012 6:37 am

I don't quite understand the purpose of this function in Simpler/Sampler/Impulse.

Why would you not want the variations in velocity of your midi notes to not represent a 1:1 correlation with the volume? :?:

This would always drive me nuts, when I would wonder why I couldn't hear the variation of the velocity of my midi notes - only to find 'Velocity' or 'Vol<Vel' set to 0%.

Can anyone clear this up for me?

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Re: Why would you ever want 'Vol < Vel' value to be not 100%?

Post by pepezabala » Mon Jul 23, 2012 6:54 am

when you trigger samples via simpler, one-shots like spoken words, sound efx etc and you want them to play back at a given volume that you have set with the fader, and that doesn't get influenced by the velocity of your finger hitting the key or the pad.

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Re: Why would you ever want 'Vol < Vel' value to be not 100%?

Post by luddy » Mon Jul 23, 2012 6:56 am

When you play a sound live (from a keyboard), there's often too much dynamic range if you have vel>vol set to 100%. That is, the softest notes are too soft in relation to the loudest. Think of vel>vol as a kind of compressor that is triggered by velocity.

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Re: Why would you ever want 'Vol < Vel' value to be not 100%?

Post by Citizen » Mon Jul 23, 2012 7:21 am

luddy wrote:When you play a sound live (from a keyboard), there's often too much dynamic range if you have vel>vol set to 100%. That is, the softest notes are too soft in relation to the loudest. Think of vel>vol as a kind of compressor that is triggered by velocity.

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Ah, cool - thats a good analogy.

Thanks for clearing that up guys - cheers!

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Re: Why would you ever want 'Vol < Vel' value to be not 100%?

Post by simonlb » Mon Jul 23, 2012 11:26 am

Might depend on your keyboard playing style as well, if you're playing stuff in using a keyboard. Or if you're drawing in notes you might want the velocity adjustments to be more subtle. I generally find 100% to be too sensitive in both these situations.

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Re: Why would you ever want 'Vol < Vel' value to be not 100%?

Post by Wbowers » Mon Jul 23, 2012 11:35 am

I like to draw my velocity in. it allows more control

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Re: Why would you ever want 'Vol < Vel' value to be not 100%?

Post by crumhorn » Mon Jul 23, 2012 12:19 pm

when layering sounds you can set different values so that a particular layer - eg a percusive attack sound - gets more prominant as you play harder.
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Re: Why would you ever want 'Vol < Vel' value to be not 100%?

Post by Wbowers » Tue Jul 24, 2012 5:35 pm

Also on basses its good to turn it to 0 so that you can tie other parameters to the velocity.

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Re: Why would you ever want 'Vol < Vel' value to be not 100%?

Post by 3dot... » Tue Jul 24, 2012 6:53 pm

when you want velocity to have SOME effect not a total effect...
in short.. almost always..
my default is 60%..
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