Sustain Pedal and OVR mode

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Pieterrr
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Sustain Pedal and OVR mode

Post by Pieterrr » Fri Aug 17, 2012 3:02 pm

hi there
when i record midi, f.e. piano with a softsynth, i know i can overwrite (OVR) or not.
but it looks like it doesn't overwrite sustain pedal info.
is this correct?
cause when i record MIDI over a previous take, the previous sustain pedal action is still interfering with the new take.
any help is appreciated!

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Re: Sustain Pedal and OVR mode

Post by Tone Deft » Fri Aug 17, 2012 4:25 pm

automation isn't recorded in Session View.

or you have Remote turned off in the midi preferences. that would block any CC data coming in.
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Re: Sustain Pedal and OVR mode

Post by Warrior Bob » Fri Aug 17, 2012 10:13 pm

I believe OVR only overlays MIDI messages, it doesn't overwrite them.

I think it might overwrite CC data but only if you send a new message during the overdub. I haven't tried your specific scenario so you might want to double check that any kind of CC overdubbing is possible, but assuming it is, the absence of a CC message will surely not overwrite a previous message.
Tone Deft wrote:automation isn't recorded in Session View.
Sustain pedal is a CC message though, which I'm pretty sure are recordable into Session View clips. I'm not sure if you can do it with OVR or not but I believe I have done it upon first recording.

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Re: Sustain Pedal and OVR mode

Post by yur2die4 » Sat Aug 18, 2012 1:19 am

If possible, try changing the range of your pedal on your keyboard to 1-127. When it is off, it is at Zero, and if you should happen to interrupt a clip by overdubbing with a setting of Zero, Live might ignore it. Of course, not all controllers will let you change the range :/

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Re: Sustain Pedal and OVR mode

Post by fishmonkey » Sat Aug 18, 2012 2:22 am

Pieterrr wrote:hi there
when i record midi, f.e. piano with a softsynth, i know i can overwrite (OVR) or not.
but it looks like it doesn't overwrite sustain pedal info.
is this correct?
cause when i record MIDI over a previous take, the previous sustain pedal action is still interfering with the new take.
any help is appreciated!
sustain messages are always a bit messy when looping and overdubbing.

and MIDI overdub mode doesn't "overwrite", it merges existing MIDI messages with new ones.

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Re: Sustain Pedal and OVR mode

Post by luddy » Sat Aug 18, 2012 7:56 am

when I do stuff like this, I insert a M4L device that converts sustain pedal (CC64) messages into note duration, i.e., longer notes rather than a CC message. Makes it much easier to edit the stuff afterward. I posted a device that does this to the Max for Live site: http://www.maxforlive.com/library/device/301/sustainer.

hth,

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Re: Sustain Pedal and OVR mode

Post by Pieterrr » Mon Aug 20, 2012 8:52 pm

hi all,
thanks for the answers! very helpful.
unfortunately there's not a straightforward solution apparently...
thanks again!

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