mixing tip#1

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Re: mixing tip#1

Post by ttilberg » Wed Oct 17, 2012 6:47 pm

simmerdown wrote:so, cut everything below 60hz, except not the bass track, if your going for that stomach rumble? is that what ch'all meant?
It really comes down to each individual instance, but as was mentioned above, you cannot know without the proper listening environment. Even on a bass track, you want to be conscious that it's not too powerful too low, otherwise the rest of your song gets lost -- remember, a HPF doesn't just stop sound below those frequencies, it gradually slopes the levels.

Also important, 60 hz isn't the gospel, it depends on what you are doing. You'll want to adjust the slope and curve of your high pass depending on the shape of the sound you are working with.

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This is a regular square wave playing. On EQ8, I'm using the default Q setting in Live, in HPF mode and setting the freq. to 60 hz as has been discussed. You'll notice that the audio peaks at -10.7 db before the filter, and -15.3 db after -- not really a significant difference, especially at such low frequencies, but perhaps noticeable. However, when you look in the area I've outlined in red, you do see a significant difference in levels. I've also marked a yellow line at 28 hz. Notice how the waveform looks very similar higher up than the yellow line, but very different below it?

I don't think speakers even in clubs are set up to reproduce audio even at those low frequencies below the yellow line. I think Clubs will have their own high pass filters set up in the 30-40 hz range to make sure you don't break their stuff. However, the audio data, however small (even completely inaudible, and would never make it to the club's output anyway), still exists, and will still be affecting compression, amps, etc.

I think someone else can probably take over at this point, because I feel in over my head at this point, especially once we start talking about getting this sound out of Live and into your nuts.
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Re: mixing tip#1

Post by Rinsemeister » Wed Oct 17, 2012 6:56 pm

All well and good but don't forget the old "intermodulation distortion" as the cones flap
like a whore's twat.

Phase alignment is also key to getting "nut-wiggle" bass and sub. :mrgreen:

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Re: mixing tip#1

Post by H20nly » Wed Oct 17, 2012 7:02 pm

funken wrote:problem is, your average kick peaks at about 50hz. Ditto a lot of bass.
that's where the curve of the filter comes into play if applied at 60 Hz

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Re: mixing tip#1

Post by H20nly » Wed Oct 17, 2012 7:18 pm

i get that, but when you add a cut at 60 Hz that cut does not just turn everything after 60 Hz to silence... it fades the rest of the audio. which is why it would affect peaking, but not eliminate the frequencies at 50 Hz... and, is exactly the point of the filter IMO. YRMV.

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Re: mixing tip#1

Post by H20nly » Wed Oct 17, 2012 7:59 pm

:lol: rock those bithces!!

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Re: mixing tip#1

Post by ian_halsall » Wed Oct 17, 2012 9:38 pm

nobody likes negative bass?

what are we? old ladies?

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Re: mixing tip#1

Post by SnoopWess » Wed Oct 17, 2012 10:28 pm

Better mixing tip:
Buy Platinum Notes instead of degrading your track quality ;)

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Re: mixing tip#1

Post by SnoopWess » Wed Oct 17, 2012 10:29 pm

H20nly wrote:mixing tip # 11: turn the volume up to 11
my amp goes to 11

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Re: mixing tip#1

Post by ian_halsall » Wed Oct 17, 2012 10:30 pm

mine is 0: -infinity

but that doesn't phase me

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Re: mixing tip#1

Post by H20nly » Wed Oct 17, 2012 11:34 pm

SnoopWess wrote:
H20nly wrote:mixing tip # 11: turn the volume up to 11
my amp goes to 11
it's like 10... + 1 more :wink:

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Re: mixing tip#1

Post by bkwsk » Sat Oct 20, 2012 7:36 pm

funken wrote:True, but there's no way I would cut my kick or bass above 25 hz. Fuck the club's speakers.
I usually do 30, but yeah, hipassing more than that seems a little bit rude to the bass heads :lol: .

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