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 Post subject: Re: LIVE 9 : PDC IMPROVED OR NOT ?
PostPosted: Mon Dec 24, 2012 9:31 pm 

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petit nuage wrote:
@hoffman2k : :roll:
change nothing ..you are perfect ! :lol:


Glad to hear it from somebody other than myself :lol:

Look guys, I'm not baiting. I'm not picking a fight. I'm not saying people shouldn't be aware of this issue. I'm not suggesting that this is a fight that shouldn't be fought. I'm just trying to help. Even though it may not seem that way. Leisuremuffin is doing the same.
Its not a fanboy convention, its not having a go at the "n00bs" and its definitely not meant as disrespect.

I'm in a bit of a unique position to argue that Ableton listens and feels our pain. My feature wishlist only relates to the API anymore and recent digs in the code by some of the Live 9 beta testers reveals that half of my wishes are already there. Though Push was a first clue.
I've gotten everything I asked for and got every bug I discovered fixed, except for one. A fight that is still going on. But you won't read about it here.

While it may feel like you're fighting a company on an issue they seem to ignore you on. In reality you're fighting people who are fighting the same fight for you.
Before the metaphors get any more out of control: The people at Ableton use Live too!
Interpreter that in any way you choose. You can't possibly deny that those "users" want the same as you.

Why hasn't it been done yet? Why did they "waste" their time on improved effects?
Or the other way to look at it: "Hmm, looks like the effects got a serious upgrade. They're going full DAW on our asses."

Which brings us to PDC. Its inevitable. Its obvious that it is inevitable.
They haven't announced anything yet. They haven't hinted at it. They won't make a peep about it.
If history has taught us anything, that is a full on confirmation that they are working on it.
Here's where the fanboy starts to creep in. I can sense this is the truth, I don't need it to be confirmed. I feel it in my gut and as Colbert rightly points out, that is all that matters. Its faith.
I'm not a religious man, but I believe in Ableton. Even though I've been fighting them on a silly bug for 2 years now. They forked up everything else I wanted.

And for all the Bitwig jabs. I don't disrespect the guys working there. Dom is one of the most awesome people you could ever meet. Those 3 delay modes we got in Live 8? I "bribed" Claes for it with a box of Belgian beers. I made a point, he agreed. I made an offer, he agreed. A week later we had these 2 awesome new delay modes that didn't cause clicks. So I got much respect for Claes too.
But a 1.0 will never draw me in again, however awesome it seems.
I'm a guy who compulsory reports his bugs and am at a ninty-something percent success rate with that.
Now that Live is about as stable as I could hope for, it would be a waste of nearly a decade of working on making it work. Now all I need is Push and a longass vacation. And then GTA 5 along with another long vacation...

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 Post subject: Re: LIVE 9 : PDC IMPROVED OR NOT ?
PostPosted: Mon Dec 24, 2012 10:10 pm 

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i was kidding :wink:
and of course , we are all here because we love live ...it so obvious for me that i even dont understand fanboy or hater concept .
maybe its the local folklore after all... ( scary ...) :lol:


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 Post subject: Re: LIVE 9 : PDC IMPROVED OR NOT ?
PostPosted: Mon Dec 24, 2012 10:30 pm 

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Aim shoo drank...

Noo PeeDeeCee prrobblemmz heare, anymore !

Meerie Chrizzmaz and a booddle of beear... :oops:

Sheemz I found a wayh four a PDZ-figgz :lol:

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 Post subject: Re: LIVE 9 : PDC IMPROVED OR NOT ?
PostPosted: Mon Dec 24, 2012 10:40 pm 

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also, see that guys ... even during the christmas night we post here ...is it not enough symbolic for you ? :lol:
(scary too...)


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 Post subject: Re: LIVE 9 : PDC IMPROVED OR NOT ?
PostPosted: Tue Dec 25, 2012 2:54 am 

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petit nuage wrote:
also, see that guys ... even during the christmas night we post here ...is it not enough symbolic for you ? :lol:
(scary too...)


Yeah. Totally. Music is the life. Christmas is just one day. c:

Also, I have no idea what PDC is. I'm an artist, not an engineer. But sounds cool, so keep it up guys. You're doing a great job.

-pat on the back-

cough.

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 Post subject: Re: LIVE 9 : PDC IMPROVED OR NOT ?
PostPosted: Wed Dec 26, 2012 9:18 pm 

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quote from Deadmau5 in Electronic Musician:
The MIDI in Cubase
has always been bang on, where you do global
adjustments on timing, like moving a latency slider
over a bit, whereas in Ableton, you start f**king
with that plug-in delay compensation sh*t, you’re
entering into a world of f**king disappointment.
Cubase has been a lot more reliable when it comes
to timing-specific things
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 Post subject: Re: LIVE 9 : PDC IMPROVED OR NOT ?
PostPosted: Wed Dec 26, 2012 9:47 pm 

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TheCoil wrote:
quote from Deadmau5 in Electronic Musician:
The MIDI in Cubase
has always been bang on, where you do global
adjustments on timing, like moving a latency slider
over a bit, whereas in Ableton, you start f**king
with that plug-in delay compensation sh*t, you’re
entering into a world of f**king disappointment.
Cubase has been a lot more reliable when it comes
to timing-specific things.

:lol: .... :wink: .... :arrow:

I fixed my PDC in the mean time with alcohol, and it works ! :mrgreen:
Now I know why others don't bother... :twisted:

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 Post subject: Re: LIVE 9 : PDC IMPROVED OR NOT ?
PostPosted: Thu Dec 27, 2012 5:00 am 

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simpli.cissimus wrote:
Eventful wrote:
quote from Deadmau5 in Electronic Musician:
The MIDI in Cubase
has always been bang on, where you do global
adjustments on timing, like moving a latency slider
over a bit, whereas in Ableton, you start f**king
with that plug-in delay compensation sh*t, you’re
entering into a world of f**king disappointment.
Cubase has been a lot more reliable when it comes
to timing-specific things.

:lol: .... :wink: .... :arrow:

I fixed my PDC in the mean time with alcohol, and it works ! :mrgreen:
Now I know why others don't bother... :twisted:


Bro. Is there a reason my name is on that quote?
Get your shit together, Beardog.
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 Post subject: Re: LIVE 9 : PDC IMPROVED OR NOT ?
PostPosted: Thu Dec 27, 2012 6:15 am 

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Eventful wrote:
Bro. Is there a reason my name is on that quote?
Get your shit together, Beardog.
.3.


I think the forum's Quote Attributing Compensation should be fixed in the next version.


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 Post subject: Re: LIVE 9 : PDC IMPROVED OR NOT ?
PostPosted: Thu Dec 27, 2012 12:36 pm 

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Sorry man, that happens from time to time !

Stupid quote thing...
I didn't pay attention and it went with your name instead of the original poster.

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 Post subject: Re: LIVE 9 : PDC IMPROVED OR NOT ?
PostPosted: Thu Dec 27, 2012 10:43 pm 

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how could it? the person the quote belongs to was the only one in the post.

so you would have us believe that there is something wrong with the quote function... riiiiight...

apparently plugin delay compensation is not the only technical difficulty you're having. good luck with those.. er... um... end user... *eh hem* technical errors.


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 Post subject: Re: LIVE 9 : PDC IMPROVED OR NOT ?
PostPosted: Thu Dec 27, 2012 11:53 pm 

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Since I know you're a person of low intellect, I didn't expect any better then this from you !
It's impressive how low someone with your inability can go... :roll:

I'm curious how long you can keep this level ! :lol:

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 Post subject: Re: LIVE 9 : PDC IMPROVED OR NOT ?
PostPosted: Fri Dec 28, 2012 1:50 am 

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H20nly wrote:
how could it? the person the quote belongs to was the only one in the post.

so you would have us believe that there is something wrong with the quote function... riiiiight...

apparently plugin delay compensation is not the only technical difficulty you're having. good luck with those.. er... um... end user... *eh hem* technical errors.


Okay, while that is completely irrelevant, I still giggled. c:

I've never noticed any problems with delay, with the exception of NI's session strings. They're always a tad late. But this is a super easy fix. Just grab the time adjustment thing for the track and turn it back 30ms or so. Easy.

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 Post subject: Re: LIVE 9 : PDC IMPROVED OR NOT ?
PostPosted: Fri Dec 28, 2012 1:56 pm 

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and now deadmau5 ...BAM ! :D


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 Post subject: Re: LIVE 9 : PDC IMPROVED OR NOT ?
PostPosted: Fri Dec 28, 2012 4:07 pm 

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petit nuage wrote:
and now deadmau5 ...BAM ! :D


Deadmau5 knows nothing !
He doesn't have thousands of posts in this forum, so his comments are just not reliable !
Seems also that he doesn't know how to use Live the right way,
...like all who have any PDC problems !

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