Live 9 Pricing

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kcearl
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Re: Live 9 Pricing

Post by kcearl » Sat Oct 27, 2012 5:53 pm

I can see both sides, and i understand it was a mistake...but what a whopper, folks had it in the cart...if theres any way of proving this then Ableton should consider honouring the sale...which i think they will do when they can get on top of all the emails theyve likely recieved.

Speaking for myself this upgrade would ensure my loyalty...i bought sampler separately as the other instruments have never interested me...i have komplete ultimate and five hardware synths...but at $179 they had my money, i doubt id use much more than operator maybe..i use maschine for drums and an ipad for tactile controls as is, so even push is less desirable.

But at near $300 im going to hold out and see what bitwig offers and how much it will cost; if its great then that might become my arrangement DAW of choice.

So yeah its only $125 or so, but its for stuff ive never really wanted, but will tie me into Live for the foreseeable future


Sorry for the long post, and this is only my perspective...

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Re: Live 9 Pricing

Post by Stealth Elf » Sat Oct 27, 2012 6:12 pm

oddstep wrote:Yes. Either people will upgrade or Ableton will have to have loads of promotions to shift enough units to keep their staff paid. Ableton Live isn't a perishable good. Live 8 will work for a couple years easily. Ableton even created new versions of 7 after 8 was released. Suite costs more because it has max for live included.
Then that's just reducing customer choice under the guise of offering more in the package. So now instead of deciding whether or not we need max for live we HAVE to buy it if we want the suite version.

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Re: Live 9 Pricing

Post by littlepig » Sat Oct 27, 2012 6:13 pm

OK consider this case:

Yesterday I looked at a car and agreed to buy it for 1790euros but I don't have cash. I come back with the cash today but the seller says now the same car will cost 2540euros.

What am I going to do? Say OK its well worth 2540euros or say no thanks I'll look elsewhere for my transport because there are plenty of alternatives. I would go for the later option and I am sure a lot of people would do the same.

Back to Ableton, they could have had 179 euros from me today but I un-impressed by their business methods they won't be getting my of my money for a long time. There are plenty of alternatives for making music (including just staying with Live8).

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Re: Live 9 Pricing

Post by oddstep » Sat Oct 27, 2012 6:19 pm

Yeah. The logical outcome is lots of different licence bundles, Live. Live plus the pure Ableton devices, another one with the AAS collaborations, another one with Max. Everyone would hate that as much as the current system. Remember when Max for Live came out, plenty of people saying it should be part of Live. There isn't a good answer, we all just have to look out for the sale that works for us.

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Re: Live 9 Pricing

Post by Stealth Elf » Sat Oct 27, 2012 6:37 pm

oddstep wrote:Yeah. The logical outcome is lots of different licence bundles, Live. Live plus the pure Ableton devices, another one with the AAS collaborations, another one with Max. Everyone would hate that as much as the current system. Remember when Max for Live came out, plenty of people saying it should be part of Live. There isn't a good answer, we all just have to look out for the sale that works for us.
That's the thing, it *should* be part of live but not at extra cost. Obviously all we can do is speculate at the cost of Bitwig at the moment but it looks pretty likely they'll undercut Ableton and that comes with a MAX equivalent + loads of synths etc so is essentially the mirror of Suite.

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Re: Live 9 Pricing

Post by Surreal » Sat Oct 27, 2012 7:38 pm

Not at an extra cost? How does Cycling74 eat then? They aren't part of Ableton. Ableton, I assume, has to give them a cut.

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Re: Live 9 Pricing

Post by kitekrazy » Sat Oct 27, 2012 8:02 pm

littlepig wrote:OK consider this case:

Yesterday I looked at a car and agreed to buy it for 1790euros but I don't have cash. I come back with the cash today but the seller says now the same car will cost 2540euros.

What am I going to do? Say OK its well worth 2540euros or say no thanks I'll look elsewhere for my transport because there are plenty of alternatives. I would go for the later option and I am sure a lot of people would do the same.

Back to Ableton, they could have had 179 euros from me today but I un-impressed by their business methods they won't be getting my of my money for a long time. There are plenty of alternatives for making music (including just staying with Live8).

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That would also depend if it were a private sale or through a dealership. Google the outcomes of such situations that happen with dealerships.

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Re: Live 9 Pricing

Post by kitekrazy » Sat Oct 27, 2012 8:09 pm

Surreal wrote:Not at an extra cost? How does Cycling74 eat then? They aren't part of Ableton. Ableton, I assume, has to give them a cut.
If it weren't for Ableton they would probably starve. Do they have Max for Sonar? I bet they are a part of Ableton. Why wouldn't they license this type of software for other apps?

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Re: Live 9 Pricing

Post by rbro » Sat Oct 27, 2012 8:25 pm

Has anyone heard back from Ableton Customer care regarding honoring the original pricing for those ordered or were in the midst of ordering? I know they must be swamped and it's the weekend, but I'm curious..........

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Re: Live 9 Pricing

Post by oddstep » Sat Oct 27, 2012 8:27 pm

kitekrazy. you are mistaken. other not Ableton companies include AAS, Akai and Novation.

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Re: Live 9 Pricing

Post by littlepig » Sat Oct 27, 2012 8:27 pm

kitekrazy> if it were a dealership I'd tell them to get lost and watched choke over losing their commission. There's plenty of alternatives without putting up with someone who agrees a price then ups it. My understanding is that currently there is over production in the auto industry...

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Re: Live 9 Pricing

Post by oddstep » Sat Oct 27, 2012 8:30 pm

rbro. Yeah I started freaking out over the general anarchy so I emailed them this morning, they said that they would give me an activation for live 9 when it turned up. good job really since I wouldn't have upgraded to suite without the incentive. Respect for them getting back to me so quickly as well.

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Re: Live 9 Pricing

Post by rbro » Sat Oct 27, 2012 8:32 pm

oddstep wrote:rbro. Yeah I started freaking out over the general anarchy so I emailed them this morning, they said that they would give me an activation for live 9 when it turned up. good job really since I wouldn't have upgraded to suite without the incentive. Respect for them getting back to me so quickly as well.
What email address did you send it to?

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Re: Live 9 Pricing

Post by exper » Sat Oct 27, 2012 8:42 pm

rbro wrote:Has anyone heard back from Ableton Customer care regarding honoring the original pricing for those ordered or were in the midst of ordering? I know they must be swamped and it's the weekend, but I'm curious..........

No answer here...

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Re: Live 9 Pricing

Post by oddstep » Sat Oct 27, 2012 8:46 pm

contact@ableton.com

I figured that support would be more focussed on technical stuff, plus support always get hassled, spread the love.

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