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 Post subject: Re: Live 9 Pricing
PostPosted: Sun Nov 04, 2012 3:35 pm 

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My intent by posting about the Confusing pricing was not to foment vitriol, but to seek and gain clarification on pricing and upgrade paths. I don't think the nonspecific "our initial prices were wrong, here area new prices for some of you, and trust us, the rest of you will get some other discount in the future (when live 9 is 'real,' though we're happy to price it for everyone else even though it doesn't exist yet" has clarified things.

As evidence, I submit the continued questions that people pose about what to so.

Confusion still. <sigh>


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 Post subject: Re: Live 9 Pricing
PostPosted: Sun Nov 04, 2012 5:37 pm 

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^ completely agree (even though you used the words "foment" and "vitriol" :lol: )


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 Post subject: Re: Live 9 Pricing
PostPosted: Sun Nov 04, 2012 5:51 pm 

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Welp. I just discovered that Musician's Friend has the BOXED Live 8 Suite upgrade for $309 and there's currently a $30 off of any purchase over $199. SO you can get the boxed Suite 8 update (and free upgrade to 9 suite) for only $279, less that Abes are currently offering. It's not $197, but I'm not paying any more that I have to. Still thinking if I want to even do it. Between price hikes and partially unstable software, I'm disgusted, but for now its still the only game out there for what it does. I just downloaded a Demo of Reaper and it crashed twice before I even loaded a VST... oh well.

Oh, and before someone chimes in with "but you won't get the free 9 update" I asked. You can as along as its before 9 is released...


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 Post subject: Re: Live 9 Pricing
PostPosted: Tue Nov 06, 2012 2:55 pm 

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exper wrote:
I just discovered that Musician's Friend has the BOXED Live 8 Suite upgrade for $309 and there's currently a $30 off of any purchase over $199. SO you can get the boxed Suite 8 update (and free upgrade to 9 suite) for only $279, less that Abes are currently offering. It's not $197, but I'm not paying any more that I have to...
That $30 off is about to expire, but it seems you can get 13% off until the end of December which is $40.17 (though many have to pay tax on top)
http://www.daddyodeals.com/phpBB/guitar ... 37618.html
http://dealspl.us/guitarcenter-coupons

Musicians Friend has -10% as well, & may be tax-free:
http://dealspl.us/musiciansfriend-coupons

Why does Ableton want to have online prices higher than stores, & get a lower profit margin? I have no idea, but Ableton lost some profit from me by jacking up the prices too fast.

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 Post subject: Re: Live 9 Pricing
PostPosted: Sun Nov 11, 2012 4:07 am 

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Just watched the video of the Ableton Preview Event. Says there are roughly 1.7 million Live users. Of course this probably includes people who bought hardware that came with some ultra-light version which they never used.

A little arithmetic: if 500,000 of these people (less than 1/3) were to upgrade to Live 9 Suite at the minimum $234 price (quoted to owners of Live 8 Suite plus Max for Live), that would amount to $117,000,000 revenue. Of course, that's just according to my Microsoft calculator.


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 Post subject: Re: Live 9 Pricing
PostPosted: Mon Nov 12, 2012 2:31 am 

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Why does Ableton want to have online prices higher than stores


This isn't exclusive to Ableton. I have been able to find cheaper in-store versions of a number of different software tools (including Ozone and Rx2, Ohmicide and a few DAWs at GC)


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 Post subject: Re: Live 9 Pricing
PostPosted: Mon Nov 12, 2012 12:22 pm 

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agent314 wrote:
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Why does Ableton want to have online prices higher than stores


This isn't exclusive to Ableton. I have been able to find cheaper in-store versions of a number of different software tools (including Ozone and Rx2, Ohmicide and a few DAWs at GC)


Devs will never undercut their retail partners, or they won't be partners for long.

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 Post subject: Re: Live 9 Pricing
PostPosted: Mon Nov 12, 2012 3:20 pm 

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well i sure as hell won't update for quite a while. considering that live 8 is still in beta and was a complete disaster with features either missing or completely unuseable, with things such as corrupting your projects for no apparent reason (lost quite a few that way), random crashes for no apparent reason and so on, paying 200 bucks or whatever for an upgrade when the last time you did you got a piece that wasn't even RTM is not exactly something i am looking forward to.

also, the person who crashed reaper immediately: H O W?
reaper is incredibly stable. i've never crashed it, ever.
live however crashes all the time, including when doing stupid things such as previewing an mp3, or doing anything slightly related to video.

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 Post subject: Re: Live 9 Pricing
PostPosted: Mon Nov 12, 2012 3:37 pm 

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Re: reaper

I have no idea. I just installed it and started it up. Within a couple of clicks it just crashed. Never even made a sound with it!


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 Post subject: Re: Live 9 Pricing
PostPosted: Mon Nov 12, 2012 5:41 pm 

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I've contempletated ordering the boxed upgrade, but none of them say it has the free upgrade to v9. Does it have to say it like the non-upgrade versions at the stores, or is it an Ableton grace period policy? I've been a little unclear about this so I haven't pulled the trigger yet. Anyone know? On Ableton's site I can only find the mention when buying/upgrading through them and nothing about a grace period if purchased through other vendors.

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 Post subject: Re: Live 9 Pricing
PostPosted: Mon Nov 12, 2012 5:56 pm 

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Illumin wrote:
I've contempletated ordering the boxed upgrade, but none of them say it has the free upgrade to v9. Does it have to say it like the non-upgrade versions at the stores, or is it an Ableton grace period policy? I've been a little unclear about this so I haven't pulled the trigger yet. Anyone know? On Ableton's site I can only find the mention when buying/upgrading through them and nothing about a grace period if purchased through other vendors.



I got confirmation from ableton support that this is the case so I may get it from musicians friend.


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 Post subject: Re: Live 9 Pricing
PostPosted: Mon Nov 12, 2012 5:57 pm 

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agent314 wrote:
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Why does Ableton want to have online prices higher than stores


This isn't exclusive to Ableton. I have been able to find cheaper in-store versions of a number of different software tools (including Ozone and Rx2, Ohmicide and a few DAWs at GC)



Retailers probably buy large numbers of licenses at a discount from Ableton and then take the risk that they cannot sell them

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 Post subject: Re: Live 9 Pricing
PostPosted: Tue Nov 27, 2012 8:54 pm 

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 Post subject: Re: Live 9 Pricing
PostPosted: Tue Jan 15, 2013 1:52 am 

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Early adopters of Suite 8 + M4L have also been dealing with the 64-bit beta that which lacks support for M4L... and still to this day there has been no 64-bit Suite release. (?)

If I already own M4L and do not desire the new factory M4L devices or sample packs included in Suite 9 [the only clear benefit of upgrading from Suite 8 to Suite 9) than I should have an alternative pricing option. It's not that the factory packs are bad, it's just that I prefer to use and craft my own sounds and M4L tools.

Those who have owned M4L longer than those customers who are participating in the new "Live 8 to Suite 8 + Free Upgrade to Live 9" deal should have an alternative pricing option or coupon. M4L was expensive and has been left in the dark with the latest 64-bit beta.

There is no point in breaking out all of the math... my concern is customer loyalty. Will there ever be a Live 8 64-bit version that supports M4L devices? Or will owners of M4L have to pay a premium to upgrade just to finally utilize the tools they already paid a premium for?

There has been no update on the new Ableton website regarding the pricing/deals since the PR statement was released near the time these threads began circa October/November 2012. These issues are important to me and other returning customers. Any official update?


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 Post subject: Re: Live 9 Pricing
PostPosted: Tue Jan 15, 2013 7:12 am 

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Upgrading to suite 9 gives you max 6.... Worth way more than a couple of devices you're not interested in.

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