Music theory is easier than learnig to sing....

Discussion of music production, audio, equipment and any related topics, either with or without Ableton Live
tw1nstates
Posts: 1127
Joined: Sat Apr 14, 2007 1:00 pm

Music theory is easier than learnig to sing....

Post by tw1nstates » Tue Oct 30, 2012 11:24 am

Just saying, all you dudes thinking, ahh, this is gonna be easy, I can just sing the notes right in.

Basic music theory can be taught in a few hours.

Singing, weeks / months.....
I slipped into a daze, whilst I was there I heard the most startling music, it was at once familiar and alien, reassuring and unsettling.
https://soundcloud.com/fearoftherave

Napole0n
Posts: 39
Joined: Wed Jul 15, 2009 3:51 pm

Re: Music theory is easier than learnig to sing....

Post by Napole0n » Tue Oct 30, 2012 11:39 am

It's not really singing though. If the examples are anything to go by, having the talent to sing in the shower (the ability to carry a rudimentary tune) will be enough rather than needing Adele like proficiency.

tw1nstates
Posts: 1127
Joined: Sat Apr 14, 2007 1:00 pm

Re: Music theory is easier than learnig to sing....

Post by tw1nstates » Tue Oct 30, 2012 11:45 am

Idk there were examples up.

Will take a look
I slipped into a daze, whilst I was there I heard the most startling music, it was at once familiar and alien, reassuring and unsettling.
https://soundcloud.com/fearoftherave

Evengy
Posts: 451
Joined: Wed Jan 13, 2010 8:31 am

Re: Music theory is easier than learnig to sing....

Post by Evengy » Tue Oct 30, 2012 11:50 am

imho, playing a real instrument is more important than music theory only ;) (more fun too)

btw. you still get the rhythm when you can´t sing

Surreal
Posts: 560
Joined: Wed May 17, 2006 1:18 am

Re: Music theory is easier than learnig to sing....

Post by Surreal » Tue Oct 30, 2012 12:30 pm

so?

You live with your voice. Not everyone lives with a keyboard or whatever other controller. The feature also works with other instruments like piano, as evinced by 'stealing' the chord from Bill Evans. No one says you have to use it.

Napole0n
Posts: 39
Joined: Wed Jul 15, 2009 3:51 pm

Re: Music theory is easier than learnig to sing....

Post by Napole0n » Tue Oct 30, 2012 12:47 pm

I find it easier to improvise by humming a tune over a backing than blurting something out on a keyboard so I'm very curious to see how it will affect creating melodylines and stuff like that. It won't replace my keyboard or any other instrument, but it's an option with a load of potential and choice is always good.

Although I'm interested most in the drums-to-midi stuff, the idea of taking great grooves and using them with my own sounds makes me giddy.

infernal.machine
Posts: 1051
Joined: Mon Oct 15, 2012 1:34 am

Re: Music theory is easier than learnig to sing....

Post by infernal.machine » Tue Oct 30, 2012 3:12 pm

Music theory can be taught in a few hours, huh?

:roll:

tw1nstates
Posts: 1127
Joined: Sat Apr 14, 2007 1:00 pm

Re: Music theory is easier than learnig to sing....

Post by tw1nstates » Tue Oct 30, 2012 3:44 pm

infernal.machine wrote:Music theory can be taught in a few hours, huh?

:roll:
Of course, it's not hard at all. Just badly taught for the most part.

Self learning also makes it harder.
I slipped into a daze, whilst I was there I heard the most startling music, it was at once familiar and alien, reassuring and unsettling.
https://soundcloud.com/fearoftherave

simmerdown
Posts: 3761
Joined: Wed Oct 26, 2011 3:36 pm
Location: Northwest Nowhere

Re: Music theory is easier than learnig to sing....

Post by simmerdown » Tue Oct 30, 2012 3:53 pm

anyone can learn theory, doesnt mean they'll know how to apply it

anyone can learn to sing, but that doesn't mean they will have a good voice, can't teach timbre or the many x-factors that make a Singer

rakim87
Posts: 398
Joined: Thu May 10, 2012 8:06 pm
Location: New England
Contact:

Re: Music theory is easier than learnig to sing....

Post by rakim87 » Tue Oct 30, 2012 5:11 pm

music theory class is not just a couple hours and that class is just the introduction to music theory really.

i think the point of the audio to midi thing was for when you have an idea and you don't know how to write it out in midi and things like that. it just matches pitch, you don't need to be good at singing really.
ImageImage

3dot...
Posts: 9996
Joined: Tue Feb 20, 2007 11:10 pm

Re: Music theory is easier than learnig to sing....

Post by 3dot... » Tue Oct 30, 2012 5:32 pm

"learning" in theory is easy ... you just need good memory and some understanding.
implementing the theory is where you spend your time...
we're talking years... not months..
Image

thecageofconsent
Posts: 19
Joined: Wed Jul 22, 2009 3:20 pm
Location: London
Contact:

Re: Music theory is easier than learnig to sing....

Post by thecageofconsent » Tue Oct 30, 2012 5:49 pm

This is one of the strangest posts I have ever seen. You think that people wanting to translate their hummed melodies into midi are going to be held back by the fact that they are not world class singers?

The technology won't discriminate against poor singing tone.
Core i5 PC / Ableton Live 8 Suite / Novation Impulse 49 / Akai MPK Mini / Alesis M1 520 Active Monitors /
Audio Technika ATH-M50 Headphones / Native Instruments Komplete 8 / Native Instruments Maschine / U-HE Diva
http://soundcloud.com/explodingsands

tw1nstates
Posts: 1127
Joined: Sat Apr 14, 2007 1:00 pm

Re: Music theory is easier than learnig to sing....

Post by tw1nstates » Tue Oct 30, 2012 5:55 pm

I was thinking, so if their melody jumps say a seventh, it's pretty likely every time they sing it it's going to be different.

Esp if there is other stuff going on.

But I haven't used it so I really dont know.

And I wasn't talking about being a world class singer, just thinking about how people who don't sing may struggle with larger intervals..
I slipped into a daze, whilst I was there I heard the most startling music, it was at once familiar and alien, reassuring and unsettling.
https://soundcloud.com/fearoftherave

bosonHavoc
Posts: 1936
Joined: Wed Sep 19, 2007 8:34 am
Location: Austin, Texas
Contact:

Re: Music theory is easier than learnig to sing....

Post by bosonHavoc » Tue Oct 30, 2012 6:38 pm

i'm thinking that the audio to midi function will benefit people on a few levels.
the people that have a good sense of music but can not play a lick nor do they understand theory
aka a regular DJ
now they can hum in the melody line and go from their.


i bet string player will be very happy.. i know i am..
i can kill it on the Bass and play guitar pretty good too
but on the keys i'm getting better.
my main interface has been the mpd's and now quneo..
over the year i have become very proficient on playing the pads but
if i can just play in my ideas with my primary instrument then swap it to midi and add synths.. ooo awesome!


learning theory to some one that knows theory is simple.
to some one that does not have a clue it is not simple.
basic idea of theory can by told to some one in a short period of time
but they probably wont get it until they study and play an instrument (voice = instrument too)

massenmedium
Posts: 414
Joined: Fri May 07, 2010 6:25 pm

Re: Music theory is easier than learnig to sing....

Post by massenmedium » Tue Oct 30, 2012 7:09 pm

"Hey do you know you can convert audio to MIDI in Live 9?"

"No, but if you hum it I'll play along."

Post Reply