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 Post subject: Re: Ableton Push: Questions & Answers - Live gigs
PostPosted: Sun Jan 13, 2013 4:11 am 

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I've read the posts on the Push topic here, but some answers were too technical so here are my questions.

All questions relate to a live gig situation with other bandmates playing their own instruments.

Can I play a drum beat on the Push and after the beat is grooving, can I then let the beat keep playing and then seamlessly start playing other instruments and sounds on the Push which will layer on top of the original beat?

Is there latency I need to adjust on the fly? Can I adjust latency on the fly?

Will a macbook pro with 8gigs of RAM be sufficient (won't be running any other plug-ins or programs and all sound samples will be preset)? Do I need a solid state drive in the macbook (I read the Gotye installed a solid state drive inside their macbook pro for live gigs)?

Will switching between pad banks or making tempo/etc adjustments to the Push on the fly cause any stoppages to the sound or lag during a live gig?

THANKS!


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 Post subject: Re: Ableton Push: Questions & Answers
PostPosted: Sun Jan 13, 2013 6:44 am 

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Jesse wrote:
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What is the 9th knob along the top?


Master Volume, or Cue volume if you hold shift.


- this sounds dangerous, master volume seems to be too easy to mess with accidentally, not to mention that (at least for me) cue volume is much more useful while browsing sounds, is there any possibility of reversing this behaviour? i.e. make the 9th knob act on cue volume "normally" and master volume with shift pressed, it sounds much safer and more useful

- does push have any button to change between session and arrange view ?

- i suppose for now push is mainly for session view operation but it would be great to have the option to use the touch strip to scrub along the arrangement when live is in arrangement view and push is not in device mode

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 Post subject: Re: Ableton Push: Questions & Answers
PostPosted: Tue Jan 15, 2013 12:11 am 

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BlackLotusLuke wrote:
will the push be able to slice audio to midi, and assign warp markers on audio? therefore allowing one to chop samples without a mouse?

Nope.

"Slicing from the controller?
At the moment, no. But your wish is noted.

Is there any way to quickly duplicate pads on Drum Racks from the Push controller?
At the moment, no. But your wish is noted."
viewtopic.php?f=1&t=186306

Live + Push will still be no match for Maschine when it comes to chopping samples with a mouseless hands-on workflow. Push doesn't even compare to Maschine in that department at all because you can't even slice from the Push controller, you can't see waveforms or slices on the Push's LCD, you can't duplicate pads from the Push controller...etc. Not to mention that Push also doesn't even automap to plugins and can't do step automation (Elektron-style step parameter locks), and would still force you to click around with a mouse for a lot of little things, like opening/closing plugin windows.


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 Post subject: Re: Ableton Push: Questions & Answers
PostPosted: Tue Jan 15, 2013 1:04 am 

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Copy/paste emptysea.

Ableton these are a must for the Push launch. If only to put those Maschineheads in their place.

Out of interest humbnumb why is being able to see the waveform on the hardware so important when you have a massive monitor sitting right in front of you? Or do you sit with your controller in a different room? ;)

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 Post subject: Can Push Step Sequence Mono & Polyphonic Melodies In Key?
PostPosted: Tue Jan 15, 2013 4:07 pm 

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Can Push Step Sequence Mono & Polyphonic Melodies In Key?

I have seen that you can step sequence drums using the push controller and that you can play chord and note in key but can you step sequence mono & polyphonic melodies in key? I've seen this with some ipad apps do this so was wondering if push can do it. It'd be a terrible shame if it couldn't really.

Ableton's Response

"At the moment there is only workarounds to use Push in step sequencer mode with other instruments than drumracks.

Still, we are aware of this wish and we are looking into various solutions here.

Keep in mind that Push will also integrate with Max for Live patches, so we are confident it will not take long until our users take Push to the next level!"

Pretty gutted about this. Are there any good monophonic / polyphonic step sequencers in max4live at the moment that are just a simple case of clicking on a plugin and using an apc40 or launchpad?


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 Post subject: Re: Ableton Push: Questions & Answers
PostPosted: Tue Jan 15, 2013 6:03 pm 

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if th e 1998 mc505 could do polyphonic step sequencing, i really think a software in 2013 can do it

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 Post subject: Re: Ableton Push: Questions & Answers
PostPosted: Tue Jan 15, 2013 6:45 pm 

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Muzik 4 Machines wrote:
if th e 1998 mc505 could do polyphonic step sequencing, i really think a software in 2013 can do it


You would think so wouldn't you. According to ableton - not yet! At first I assumed it was a feature. Why wouldn't it be?! I might not bother with push now.


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 Post subject: Re: Ableton Push: Questions & Answers
PostPosted: Wed Jan 16, 2013 5:55 am 

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Acid303 wrote:
Muzik 4 Machines wrote:
if th e 1998 mc505 could do polyphonic step sequencing, i really think a software in 2013 can do it


You would think so wouldn't you. According to ableton - not yet! At first I assumed it was a feature. Why wouldn't it be?! I might not bother with push now.


i'm not sure why that feature would get left out
however there is an amazing combo that can do that and more in live right now
numerology + launchpad

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 Post subject: Re: Ableton Push: Questions & Answers
PostPosted: Wed Jan 16, 2013 11:48 pm 

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ambientidm wrote:
Acid303 wrote:
Muzik 4 Machines wrote:
if th e 1998 mc505 could do polyphonic step sequencing, i really think a software in 2013 can do it


You would think so wouldn't you. According to ableton - not yet! At first I assumed it was a feature. Why wouldn't it be?! I might not bother with push now.


i'm not sure why that feature would get left out
however there is an amazing combo that can do that and more in live right now
numerology + launchpad


Thanks I will check it out. Really tempted to get Elektron Analog four as I think i'd love the sequencer and parameter locks.

EDIT

Wow thanks so much for that suggestion. It's exactly what i've been looking for!! I think I might need a screen dedicated to it though. If only ableton would do this with push and live! Would be incredible.


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 Post subject: Re: Ableton Push: Questions & Answers
PostPosted: Thu Jan 17, 2013 5:00 am 

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[/quote]
EDIT

Wow thanks so much for that suggestion. It's exactly what i've been looking for!! I think I might need a screen dedicated to it though. If only ableton would do this with push and live! Would be incredible.[/quote]

one of the amazing features of numerology is it's modular capabilities
you can route sequencers into each other kind of the same way reason does with its effects and such
stack some modules together and click on the routing tab
i like to route the interval seq pitch out into the mononote interval in
thus the interval seq transposes the mononote
it gets really deep

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 Post subject: Re: Ableton Push: Questions & Answers
PostPosted: Thu Jan 17, 2013 7:52 pm 

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ambientidm wrote:
one of the amazing features of numerology is it's modular capabilities
you can route sequencers into each other kind of the same way reason does with its effects and such
stack some modules together and click on the routing tab
i like to route the interval seq pitch out into the mononote interval in
thus the interval seq transposes the mononote
it gets really deep


One step at a time :mrgreen:


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 Post subject: Re: Can Push Step Sequence Mono & Polyphonic Melodies In Key?
PostPosted: Fri Jan 18, 2013 12:16 pm 

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Acid303 wrote:
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Pretty gutted about this. Are there any good monophonic / polyphonic step sequencers in max4live at the moment that are just a simple case of clicking on a plugin and using an apc40 or launchpad?


The APC40 Stepseq by Marc can do mono/poly step sequencing for any instrument linked in. The problem from what I see on the *current* setup of push is they directly link the internal stepseq to the drum pads. This could possibly set a max of 16 pads to sequence. Whereas on marc egloff's, you can technically scroll up and down the keyboard for each note (though you are still limited up to I think 8 because he designed his for drums as well).

I will agree though if they could link "non pad" instruments to the top portion that will scroll the length of the keyboard would be nice. Similar to how Hanz petrov's script works.


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 Post subject: Re: Ableton Push: Questions & Answers
PostPosted: Sat Jan 19, 2013 7:03 am 

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Acid303 wrote:
ambientidm wrote:
one of the amazing features of numerology is it's modular capabilities
you can route sequencers into each other kind of the same way reason does with its effects and such
stack some modules together and click on the routing tab
i like to route the interval seq pitch out into the mononote interval in
thus the interval seq transposes the mononote
it gets really deep


One step at a time :mrgreen:


well when you are ready here are a few more tricks
set a scale device before whatever instrument you are going to sequence
for n3 route a interval seq pitch out into chord sequencer interval in
create a short chord sequence and a then an interval sequence
use the key transpose buttons on the chord sequencer and you will have modal chord changes because everything is being constrained into the scale plugin

the key is the scale device in live

i could go on and on
i'm thinking about making some tutorial vids on this

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 Post subject: Re: Can Push Step Sequence Mono & Polyphonic Melodies In Key?
PostPosted: Sat Jan 19, 2013 6:05 pm 

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Acid303 wrote:
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Can Push Step Sequence Mono & Polyphonic Melodies In Key?

I have seen that you can step sequence drums using the push controller and that you can play chord and note in key but can you step sequence mono & polyphonic melodies in key? I've seen this with some ipad apps do this so was wondering if push can do it. It'd be a terrible shame if it couldn't really.

Ableton's Response

"At the moment there is only workarounds to use Push in step sequencer mode with other instruments than drumracks.

Still, we are aware of this wish and we are looking into various solutions here.

Keep in mind that Push will also integrate with Max for Live patches, so we are confident it will not take long until our users take Push to the next level!"

Pretty gutted about this. Are there any good monophonic / polyphonic step sequencers in max4live at the moment that are just a simple case of clicking on a plugin and using an apc40 or launchpad?

Curious limitation especially considering Maschine can step sequence anything not just drums and you can easily step sequence melodies from the Maschine hardware, without any hacks or workarounds.


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 Post subject: Re: Ableton Push: Questions & Answers
PostPosted: Mon Jan 21, 2013 1:43 pm 

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It's a bit misleading to suggest drum-racks can only be used for drums...


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