How do you produce?

reticent · Post by **reticent** » Thu Dec 13, 2012 10:29 pm

Obviously you create the sounds first (bassline, synth, drums, fx) before recording.. but

Who makes clips first then records into arrangement view?

Who records directly into arrangement view, cosm-style?

What are the pros/cons of both?

Thanks

vitalispopoff · Post by **vitalispopoff** » Thu Dec 13, 2012 10:41 pm

no rules here except for one: template consist of 10 midi tracks w/ operators only. Each of them has 2 separate presets in midi controller, so I start with either simple midi clip (one note - usually c3) or by hitting the midi keyboard.

Then starts the magic.

beatmunga · Post by **beatmunga** » Thu Dec 13, 2012 11:36 pm

Do you mean 'compose' rather than 'produce'?

When I produce I generally get on the phone and ask people to do stuff for me that I can't do myself.

Which is quite a lot.

reticent wrote: Obviously you create the sounds first (bassline, synth, drums, fx) before recording.. but

Are you saying you do a load of bespoke sound design before you really play/record any riffs?

Kudos if you do. Rare these days...

reticent · Post by **reticent** » Thu Dec 13, 2012 11:39 pm

Well I try to create sounds first and then record.. so I'll mess around with a VST, play around with presets (although now I'm starting to learn real synthesis to make my own sounds) and then I'll record stuff in clips

but now that I think about it, I think recording directly into arrangement makes more sense for me... I don't plan on playing live and in Arrangement view I can mess around and hear the song for what it is right there.

beatmunga · Post by **beatmunga** » Thu Dec 13, 2012 11:45 pm

reticent wrote:Well I try to create sounds first and then record.. so I'll mess around with a VST, play around with presets (although now I'm starting to learn real synthesis to make my own sounds) and then I'll record stuff in clips

but now that I think about it, I think recording directly into arrangement makes more sense for me... I don't plan on playing live and in Arrangement view I can mess around and hear the song for what it is right there.

You may want to check out some others DAWs then reticent.

Linear arrangement is not Live's forte.

Are you Mac or PC?

simmerdown · Post by **simmerdown** » Fri Dec 14, 2012 12:02 am

reticent wrote:
Who makes clips first then records into arrangement view?

i do this...

Pro: fun, like you are playing the Live instruments
Con: sometimes you suck and it takes 25 takes

reticent · Post by **reticent** » Fri Dec 14, 2012 12:02 am

Mac

any ideas?

I love the arrangement view though lol.. and the instruments and the easiness of creating sounds and editing them

beatmunga · Post by **beatmunga** » Fri Dec 14, 2012 12:06 am

reticent wrote:Mac

any ideas?

I love the arrangement view though lol.. and the instruments and the easiness of creating sounds and editing them

It's just that, as someone who has been tied down to directly recording MIDI and audio into an arrange page in various Mac DAWs for ages, the refreshing thing about Ableton is the sponaneous fun to be had from the session view.

This is sort of why Live was created, isn't it? The arrangement aspect was added on in later versions to compete with the more conservative competition.

But session is what it is all about, ultimately. Nothing else out there remotely like it.

Yet...

reticent · Post by **reticent** » Fri Dec 14, 2012 12:11 am

yet producing a track I find is better from arrangement.. just look at cosm and how he builds it up as he goes along.. I find it more intuitive?

beatmunga · Post by **beatmunga** » Fri Dec 14, 2012 12:15 am

reticent wrote:yet producing a track I find is better from arrangement.. just look at cosm and how he builds it up as he goes along.. I find it more intuitive?

Like I say, you may want to check out some other avenues.

If you already have the Mac, Logic is a no-brainer at the price.

condra · Post by **condra** » Fri Dec 14, 2012 1:00 am

I start most my productions by chopping up a sample off a record and fucking with it in Session View.
Beats and bass come AFTER the main hook has been established.
That's just my style though. (hiphop/wonky/chillout)

reticent · Post by **reticent** » Fri Dec 14, 2012 1:10 am

beatmunga wrote:
reticent wrote:yet producing a track I find is better from arrangement.. just look at cosm and how he builds it up as he goes along.. I find it more intuitive?
Like I say, you may want to check out some other avenues.

If you already have the Mac, Logic is a no-brainer at the price.

well what does it have that Live does not provide?

djadonis206 · Post by **djadonis206** » Fri Dec 14, 2012 2:06 am

Starts with beats and sounds in the Octatrack and Machinedrum
Record long live sequences into the Session view
Make clips
Add some other stuff
Do a live take with the APC40
Then edit it down to something that half way resembles a track

beatmunga · Post by **beatmunga** » Fri Dec 14, 2012 8:56 am

reticent wrote:
beatmunga wrote:
reticent wrote:yet producing a track I find is better from arrangement.. just look at cosm and how he builds it up as he goes along.. I find it more intuitive?
Like I say, you may want to check out some other avenues.

If you already have the Mac, Logic is a no-brainer at the price.
well what does it have that Live does not provide?

I prefer Live these days personally, but then I'm sick of arrange views.

Logic was designed from the ground up as an arrangement view sequencer. It also has a shitload of instruments (some of which are meh, some are superb), massive library of content, and useful secondary programs (Waveburner, Mainstage, Soundtrack Pro etc).

(I won't mention accurate timing on your automation if no-one else does...)

ian_halsall · Post by **ian_halsall** » Fri Dec 14, 2012 10:26 am

vitalispopoff wrote:no rules here except for one: template consist of 10 midi tracks w/ operators only. Each of them has 2 separate presets in midi controller, so I start with either simple midi clip (one note - usually c3) or by hitting the midi keyboard.

Then starts the magic.

"Could it be Magic?" Barry Manilow - love that track - love the way he smashes up the Chopin

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u6BePHgXWLU

He actually plays a few bum notes in here - probably can't see the keys cos of his huge conk

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