ASIO multiple audio softwares at the same time (multiclient)

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nc2010
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ASIO multiple audio softwares at the same time (multiclient)

Post by nc2010 » Thu Jan 17, 2013 11:17 pm

Hello,
Not all ASIO soundcard drivers accept multiple audio softwares at the same time (this feature is known as multi-client)

* MOTU sound interfaces (ex : 828 MK2) : it works and this is really great :)

* Tascam sound interfaces (ex : US122L) : it worked in XP, but it doesn't work since Win7. [I have contacted Tascam support staff, who contacted the developer staff: they know the problem, but they don't do anything to correct it, lol!]

* ASIO4ALL is NOT multi-client. Too bad...

I would really need:
1/ small latency on my laptop's integrated soundcard => thus, the only solution I see is ASIO4ALL. do you have another idea?
2/ to be able to run SoundForge and Ableton at the same time....

Do you have an idea for me ? :)


Thanks

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Re: ASIO multiple audio softwares at the same time (multiclient)

Post by simmerdown » Thu Jan 17, 2013 11:44 pm

there is a software patch/bridge for multi-client in asio4all

but i forget the name, it was $30....start googlin'

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Re: ASIO multiple audio softwares at the same time (multiclient)

Post by nc2010 » Fri Jan 18, 2013 9:28 am

Oh I'm very interested for this!

(Did you mean Virtual Audio Cable ou JACK or such things ? I tried, but didn't really like it : it introduces some jitters and some crackles on my computer ; without it, i have no jitter, no crackles)

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Re: ASIO multiple audio softwares at the same time (multiclient)

Post by Szuumm » Fri Jan 18, 2013 9:35 am

http://www.steinberg.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=34&t=48

Not sure if the links are still active... at work so can't check.

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Re: ASIO multiple audio softwares at the same time (multiclient)

Post by nc2010 » Fri Jan 18, 2013 9:56 am

Thanks!
I tried this one 10 minutes ago, but I couldn't make it work with ASIO4ALL.

ASIO4ALL + this "asiomulti" + Ableton Live didn't work on my computer...

I don't know why...

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Re: ASIO multiple audio softwares at the same time (multiclient)

Post by 102455 » Fri Jan 18, 2013 10:30 am

nc2010 wrote:I tried this one 10 minutes ago, but I couldn't make it work with ASIO4ALL.
I'm not surprised. ASIO4ALL is not an ASIO driver.

If you want/need low latency performance, do the job properly and use a low latency audio interface with a REAL ASIO driver.

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Re: ASIO multiple audio softwares at the same time (multiclient)

Post by nc2010 » Fri Jan 18, 2013 11:21 am

I do have a REAL ASIO driver for my MOTU when I'm in the studio :)

I only have ASIO4ALL when I'm with my laptop, with no other external USB interface.
And ASIO4ALL works perfectly well in this situation.

The only thing I need is to be able to play AbletonLive in ASIO (with ASIO4ALL in order to have low latency), and to play MediaPlayerClassic/ somtimes Firefox sounds/ Soundforge / in WDM at the same time.

Any idea?

By the way, is there a competitor to ASIO4ALL?

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Re: ASIO multiple audio softwares at the same time (multiclient)

Post by 102455 » Fri Jan 18, 2013 12:24 pm

.....but you won't be playing Live "in ASIO" if you're using ASIO4ALL.

You'll still be using WDM but with an additional layer/wrapper (ASIO4ALL) on top.

If the guy knew how many issues his damn driver caused, with people thinking it would somehow turn their cheap consumer sound card into a low latency "ASIO card" he'd rename the flippin' thing or post a HUGE statement on his site explaining that for the majority of software now, it's completely unnecessary.

In days of old, some "pro audio" software only worked with ASIO cards. Therefore, if you didn't have one, you couldn't output sound from the software.

His driver solved that by "wrapping" the WDM driver and emulating an ASIO card, fooling the software into thinking it was the real thing, and allowing the user to output sound.

That was then. Things have changed. I don't know of any current software that is "ASIO only".

Unfortunately due to the name of the thing and some companies actually promoting its use to their customers (hello Numark), people are still using it.

OK, rant over!

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Re: ASIO multiple audio softwares at the same time (multiclient)

Post by just_in » Fri Jan 18, 2013 12:47 pm

I saw some native Realtek ASIO drivers mentioned here:
http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/ind ... opic=98685

I have no idea if it works and/or how it works.

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Re: ASIO multiple audio softwares at the same time (multiclient)

Post by nc2010 » Fri Jan 18, 2013 5:52 pm

102455 wrote:.....but you won't be playing Live "in ASIO" if you're using ASIO4ALL.

You'll still be using WDM but with an additional layer/wrapper (ASIO4ALL) on top.

If the guy knew how many issues his damn driver caused, with people thinking it would somehow turn their cheap consumer sound card into a low latency "ASIO card" he'd rename the flippin' thing or post a HUGE statement on his site explaining that for the majority of software now, it's completely unnecessary.
I have been using maybe 10 or 15 sound interfaces/cards in my life, including MOTU, RME, M-Audio (i hated this last one), Tascam, (as well as SoundBlaster long time ago :) ) etc. so I know what is ASIO, and what is not ASIO ;)
I DO know that the internal soundcard of my laptop is NOT a HIGH-END sound interface ;)

But ASIO4ALL works great : I can have very low latency and I am then able to play with very low latency with a small keyboard and my laptop only. That's what I want, and ASIO4ALL works great for this.

The only extra thing I need is : to play Live with Asio4all + using Soundforge in WDM at the same time.

;)

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Re: ASIO multiple audio softwares at the same time (multiclient)

Post by nc2010 » Sun Jan 20, 2013 1:42 pm

No idea for having :
* Ableton Live in ASIO4ALL
* SoundForge (not in Asio but in WDM for example) at the same time
?

A reward if there is a solution ;)

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Re: ASIO multiple audio softwares at the same time (multiclient)

Post by solger » Sun Jan 20, 2013 1:47 pm

nc2010 wrote:No idea for having :
* Ableton Live in ASIO4ALL
* SoundForge (not in Asio but in WDM for example) at the same time
?

A reward if there is a solution ;)
Don't know if it's possible, to mix different driver types (ASIO, WDM) under Windows.

But maybe have a look at JACK: http://jackaudio.org/jack_on_windows.
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Re: ASIO multiple audio softwares at the same time (multiclient)

Post by nc2010 » Sun Jan 20, 2013 1:51 pm

I tried once or twice in the past...

Doesn't it bring some (very little, but still annoying) crackles, jitter?

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Re: ASIO multiple audio softwares at the same time (multiclient)

Post by solger » Sun Jan 20, 2013 1:53 pm

nc2010 wrote:I tried once or twice in the past...

Doesn't it bring some (very little, but still annoying) crackles, jitter?
Don't know how good the performance is nowadays with JACK (especially under Windows).
Only did just a little bit of testing myself with it under Windows.

I guess you just have to try it out with your setup.
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Re: ASIO multiple audio softwares at the same time (multiclient)

Post by solger » Sun Jan 20, 2013 1:55 pm

nc2010 wrote:Thanks!
ASIO4ALL + this "asiomulti" + Ableton Live didn't work on my computer...

I don't know why...
Did you have the option to choose something like ASIO -> ASIO Client in both applications (Live + Soundforge) as audio driver, when trying to use Steinberg's Multiclient?
I know it's possible in Live, but I don't know about Soundforge.

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