Can someone help with a preset that eliminates vocals?
Can someone help with a preset that eliminates vocals?
has anyone seen or have a preset that pretty much eliminates vocals from songs in Live8suite?
OS X 10.10.2, Live9 Suite, More Waves plugs than I can use,
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Novation X Stat 49 and Zero ReMote SL,
iMac 27" quad, MacBook Air,
Old guitars ('63 Strat, '68 ES-335),
Custom acoustics.
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Re: Can someone help with a preset that eliminates vocals?
Live isn't the best for this kind of thing. Other than EQing the vocals out or doing some weird inversion crap with a Utility device, there isn't a good way to cleanly cut out vocals.
I've gotten fairly good at it with audacity, but IMHO it really isn't worth the trouble.
I've gotten fairly good at it with audacity, but IMHO it really isn't worth the trouble.
Re: Can someone help with a preset that eliminates vocals?
I would like to chime in and say, there are a few techniques to get vocals out of songs (or extract vocals from songs) that involve EQ, phase cancellation, stereo isolation, etc... but they only work well in very rare occasions. So unless you have been blessed with access to the stems of the song you are inquiring about, there probably aren't going to be any plugins/presets that will eliminate vocals for you.
But don't give up!
But don't give up!
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Re: Can someone help with a preset that eliminates vocals?
Ehh... but before you decide whether or not to give up, ask yourself how important having that one instrumental really is.blakjesus wrote: But don't give up!
Re: Can someone help with a preset that eliminates vocals?
All techniques to remove vocals introduce audible artifacts. The more you reduce the level of the vocals, the more artifacts you get.
The "weird inversion" trick in Utility is setting the stereo width to 200%, that puts the L and R channels out of phase and will reduce the level of any signal that is in both channels which generally includes lead vocals and bass instruments. This has been a common voice removal technique since the invention of stereo recording.
Roland also has some software called R-Mix that you should look into. It's $200 in the USA.
The "weird inversion" trick in Utility is setting the stereo width to 200%, that puts the L and R channels out of phase and will reduce the level of any signal that is in both channels which generally includes lead vocals and bass instruments. This has been a common voice removal technique since the invention of stereo recording.
Roland also has some software called R-Mix that you should look into. It's $200 in the USA.
Re: Can someone help with a preset that eliminates vocals?
thanks, yeah i tried audacity and got varying results.infernal.machine wrote:I've gotten fairly good at it with audacity, but IMHO it really isn't worth the trouble.
it'll probably do in this case..
one of my kids needs to sing a short song in a not too
picky environment in this regard.
so it's not a totally critical result i'm after..
except that it has to sound good with her vox..
OS X 10.10.2, Live9 Suite, More Waves plugs than I can use,
Push, RME Babyface, APC-40, Akai LPK,
Novation X Stat 49 and Zero ReMote SL,
iMac 27" quad, MacBook Air,
Old guitars ('63 Strat, '68 ES-335),
Custom acoustics.
long live the small fish
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Novation X Stat 49 and Zero ReMote SL,
iMac 27" quad, MacBook Air,
Old guitars ('63 Strat, '68 ES-335),
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Re: Can someone help with a preset that eliminates vocals?
thanks, will give that a go to see how it compares to audacity..doghouse wrote:The "weird inversion" trick in Utility is setting the stereo width to 200%, that puts the L and R channels out of phase and will reduce the level of any signal that is in both channels which
OS X 10.10.2, Live9 Suite, More Waves plugs than I can use,
Push, RME Babyface, APC-40, Akai LPK,
Novation X Stat 49 and Zero ReMote SL,
iMac 27" quad, MacBook Air,
Old guitars ('63 Strat, '68 ES-335),
Custom acoustics.
long live the small fish
Push, RME Babyface, APC-40, Akai LPK,
Novation X Stat 49 and Zero ReMote SL,
iMac 27" quad, MacBook Air,
Old guitars ('63 Strat, '68 ES-335),
Custom acoustics.
long live the small fish
Re: Can someone help with a preset that eliminates vocals?
thanks, in this case, the Utility plug result was 'ok', but as regardsblakjesus wrote:I would like to chime in and say, there are a few techniques to get vocals out of songs (or extract vocals from songs) that involve EQ, phase cancellation, stereo isolation, etc...
EQ i'd like to know more about these techniques for locating and fine tuning
certain frequencies.
any instructional info out there in this regard?
cheers
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Re: Can someone help with a preset that eliminates vocals?
I generally use the hunt and pick method... throw in an EQ 8, select one of the poles and turn the gain and Q all the way up (so you get a really sharp peak in volume). Adjust the frequency until you isolate the frequency range where the vocal is. At this point, flip the peak by turning the gain all the way down.. or as far as you can get away with. Repeat with as many poles as necessary.
And consider writing your kid a dubstep remix of the song they're singing. Lots of loud drums and annoying bass sounds will cover those artifacts right up!
And consider writing your kid a dubstep remix of the song they're singing. Lots of loud drums and annoying bass sounds will cover those artifacts right up!
Re: Can someone help with a preset that eliminates vocals?
thanks will do some tweaking..infernal.machine wrote:I generally use the hunt and pick method... throw in an EQ 8.....
now yer talking..And consider writing your kid a dubstep remix of the song they're singing. Lots of loud drums and annoying bass sounds will cover those artifacts right up!
OS X 10.10.2, Live9 Suite, More Waves plugs than I can use,
Push, RME Babyface, APC-40, Akai LPK,
Novation X Stat 49 and Zero ReMote SL,
iMac 27" quad, MacBook Air,
Old guitars ('63 Strat, '68 ES-335),
Custom acoustics.
long live the small fish
Push, RME Babyface, APC-40, Akai LPK,
Novation X Stat 49 and Zero ReMote SL,
iMac 27" quad, MacBook Air,
Old guitars ('63 Strat, '68 ES-335),
Custom acoustics.
long live the small fish
Re: Can someone help with a preset that eliminates vocals?
curious, what song?
many songs today are loop based, find sections of the song without vocals, make loops and play around with them.
many songs today are loop based, find sections of the song without vocals, make loops and play around with them.
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Re: Can someone help with a preset that eliminates vocals?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=efcCuFhF ... H5FwnC9vUmTone Deft wrote:curious, what song?
i think this one is sung pretty much to a live guitar,
with embellishments?
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Old guitars ('63 Strat, '68 ES-335),
Custom acoustics.
long live the small fish
Push, RME Babyface, APC-40, Akai LPK,
Novation X Stat 49 and Zero ReMote SL,
iMac 27" quad, MacBook Air,
Old guitars ('63 Strat, '68 ES-335),
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long live the small fish
Re: Can someone help with a preset that eliminates vocals?
IMO it'd be more fun to learn it on guitar than to mangle it in Live. I couldn't find the tablature for it but someone will do one, it's a nice song. it's not my thing but that would be fun to play.
...and there's no way you could tone down those vocals and not completely mangle the track. unless that's the sound you're looking for. super lo-fi.
...and there's no way you could tone down those vocals and not completely mangle the track. unless that's the sound you're looking for. super lo-fi.
In my life
Why do I smile
At people who I'd much rather kick in the eye?
-Moz
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At people who I'd much rather kick in the eye?
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Re: Can someone help with a preset that eliminates vocals?
cool,Tone Deft wrote:IMO it'd be more fun to learn it on guitar than to mangle it in Live. I couldn't find the tablature for it but someone will do one, it's a nice song. it's not my thing but that would be fun to play.
...and there's no way you could tone down those vocals and not completely mangle the track. unless that's the sound you're looking for. super lo-fi.
i know what you mean, and
no mangling desired at this end..
this (below) version shows it like that in an alfresco environment..
complete with aircraft noise..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oEX6tpTNahg
oh well, it's out with the 00-21 and see how we go..
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OS X 10.10.2, Live9 Suite, More Waves plugs than I can use,
Push, RME Babyface, APC-40, Akai LPK,
Novation X Stat 49 and Zero ReMote SL,
iMac 27" quad, MacBook Air,
Old guitars ('63 Strat, '68 ES-335),
Custom acoustics.
long live the small fish
Push, RME Babyface, APC-40, Akai LPK,
Novation X Stat 49 and Zero ReMote SL,
iMac 27" quad, MacBook Air,
Old guitars ('63 Strat, '68 ES-335),
Custom acoustics.
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Re: Can someone help with a preset that eliminates vocals?
Do a reverse MS technique using utility. To preserve the bass, apply a 250 Hz HPF to only the left channel before doing the phase cancellation.ash wrote:has anyone seen or have a preset that pretty much eliminates vocals from songs in Live8suite?
When the vocal track is not in the mid, you can reduce the fader level of the left or right channel to match the opposite channel's relative pan volume position for vocal channelization.
You can then output the result and layer it back against the original track out of phase to capture only the vocals into a new track.
This is easier to do with pro tools or waveform/sample editors than with Ableton, since its hard to edit at the sample resolution.
Also its easier to apply this technique to raw WAV or AIF file, NOT on MP3 files or MP3 files converted into WAV/AIF. This is because the MP3 has different bitstreams on left and right channels wheras a WAV/AIF preserves the fidelity. Also, you will have a hard time applying this technique to analog recordings converted to Digital as well. Recordings that have wet vocals (reverb/delay/chorus/etc) will also be more difficult to phase out.
Basically: Invert/phase out raw WAV/AIF/PCM if you want the fewest artifacts