Has this happened too you?

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tastypants
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Has this happened too you?

Post by tastypants » Sun Mar 03, 2013 5:52 am

So I'm pretty new to music production. I've only been working on Ableton for a year, and ProTools a little shorter than that..

I'm starting to really get into my projects with Ableton and I thought I was about ready to start recording my first "song".

But as I was experimenting, fixing a few things here and there, a synth I had originally loved in the song now became something I didn't want. It went from the one thing aspect of the song I really liked, to something I said I could live without.

Upon thinking about removing the synth, I then stumbled into something that I liked more than that original synth that I have loved for weeks.

I feel almost discouraged because I went from LOVING it, to saying forget it - i don't want it.

So I come here to ask: Has this happened to you?

I know it can't be a bad thing, but it's really buggin' me. It may be because I have been sitting here working for hours and I'm tired.. but I don't know..


thanks everyone. :wink:
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gnurf
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Re: Has this happened too you?

Post by gnurf » Sun Mar 03, 2013 7:04 am

It's called "perfectionism". It's a blessing and a curse :/

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Re: Has this happened too you?

Post by infernal.machine » Sun Mar 03, 2013 7:11 am

I just scrapped a song I've been working on for a week and only kept the drums.

Sometimes shit just doesn't work.

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Re: Has this happened too you?

Post by blakjesus » Sun Mar 03, 2013 7:42 am

infernal.machine wrote:I just scrapped a song I've been working on for a week and only kept the drums.

Sometimes shit just doesn't work.
I have completely scrapped songs that i have been working on for a few weeks and kept nothing. :lol:

He's right. Sometimes it just doesn't work out the way you planned it. (and that's a good thing :wink:)

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Re: Has this happened too you?

Post by oddstep » Sun Mar 03, 2013 11:33 am

Yep. Its often worth keeping these song discards either as instrument racks or clips, there was obviously something about it that you liked- but its not working within the context of the track. Perhaps its another track, or another section to the composition its currently been exiled from. This happens to me all the time. Start off with an idea, pile stuff on, find something that works without the original idea. Because music happens in time its good to spread your ideas out across a track, rather trying to get everything to work together at one. Megacounterpoint is really hard

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Re: Has this happened too you?

Post by Ubik » Sun Mar 03, 2013 12:42 pm

I guess that's a part of the creative process. It happens to me all the time, i've now understood that it's my way to work on tracks. I usually work on something i'm quite happy with then i don't touch it for 1 week or 2. When i come back to it, i start to change things, mash it, resample tracks, experiment with effects and sounds and in the end i have a new track that is often better than the original.
It can be hard to know if a track is finished but sometimes you'll just to let it go.

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Re: Has this happened too you?

Post by Tarekith » Sun Mar 03, 2013 3:19 pm

It happens to me constantly it's called "editing". I always come up with way more ideas than I need when writing a song, and then it's a matter of taking away the things that don't work so well to give the important stuff the room it needs to be effective.

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Re: Has this happened too you?

Post by pgmjsd » Sun Mar 03, 2013 5:18 pm

Tarekith wrote:It happens to me constantly it's called "editing". I always come up with way more ideas than I need when writing a song, and then it's a matter of taking away the things that don't work so well to give the important stuff the room it needs to be effective.
Great point. At first, the feeling that I needed to use every single scene I made in Session view caused those early arrangements to be less focused, too many changes, the groove didn't have time to set in. Now I just leave those rows alone... It's all part of the process. I think going through it quickly is the key. Become more prolific. If something isn't doing it for you, put it away and make a new thing. You can always save those ideas and come back to them later.

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Re: Has this happened too you?

Post by Tarekith » Sun Mar 03, 2013 5:42 pm

Exactly. The longer I write music, the better I get at not getting attached to things and wasting too much time on the stuff that just isn't working.

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Re: Has this happened too you?

Post by reeloy » Sun Mar 03, 2013 6:02 pm

...kill your darlings...

is a basic rule...so congrats, you're just getting closer to be a pro...

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Re: Has this happened too you?

Post by killingtime » Sun Mar 03, 2013 7:08 pm

Sometimes it is your favourite part that is holding the whole back, like he said, kill your darlings!

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Re: Has this happened too you?

Post by florian_bl » Sun Mar 03, 2013 7:41 pm

A certain feeling or vibe that you have when making music is not permanent. So one way to catch it is to be really fast and record all the important parts of the song before it is gone. If I take too long, usually when losing time on details, the doubts get more and more. I once read a good description for this on the net and saved it. Maybe it even was from one of you guys here:

"When I make a track I feel it's like getting on a train and then getting off at the right stop. If you miss your stop the train keeps going and you end up lost. Keep with it and eventually the train does a full circuit and you get your chance to get off the train at the right stop again, but the train probably has a different driver at that point and a lot of new passengers." Unknown (Ableton forum?) author

If you can't be fast and precise, be merciless to your sounds. Make more than you need, like Tarekith says, and then throw away everything that has no unique function in the song. I start the selection by muting all tracks and then unmuting one by one. Usually everything is fine in the beginning and at some point the loop feels too crowded and loses the nice air it had before. This tells me that the last introduced sound is clashing with something else. So it has to go or I have to find out what else to kick. This helps to make decisions easier. Sometimes it is necessary to kick out the most important sound that I have spent a lot of time on, because it turns out to be the most important sound to me, but not the most important sound for the song.

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Re: Has this happened too you?

Post by infernal.machine » Sun Mar 03, 2013 9:00 pm

Great post ^

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Re: Has this happened too you?

Post by Tone Deft » Sun Mar 03, 2013 11:08 pm

I save off revisions of a track when I take it in another direction or at the end of a long session when I'm tired, full of beer and have ear fatigue. leave yourself breadcrumbs.
oddstep wrote:I agree with all of this. I'm just bored of writing "its music, just listen and trust your judgement"

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