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 Post subject: Re: L9: Session automation recording useless in a live situation
PostPosted: Mon Mar 11, 2013 11:08 am 

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Thank you. It does work. But i don't really like this solution...a bit scary and not elegant. A bit like using a caterpillar to move a sand grain.
Anyway here is the patch resized for 13" macbooks, if anyone is interested


<pre><code>
----------begin_max5_patcher----------
737.3ocyW0sbhBCF8Z3ofIW6x.AEvd2tuF6rSmfDsoERXRBV61w28Mj.h+Ap
s1zcbFvj7Yx4b99Ie9tqCHisAK.dO38aOGm2ccbzS0LgS6XGPIZyhBjPaFnf
rF6mUKkLJXhY80HNEUhGZYZcIqVVfk5MHrcVyTx2pvlSG.79S6RUH4hmHzUO
xwKjlUCm4GLwKLp4ILV+LwOX2ufjqObV1y+HDraW3JPIw7GwTTVAd+CWAIB8
XDIPqw4OhjRNQQ.b+2DsxQqdzP3hZLaY2zcyu+YVpDM8lqv5oqRnDIAUX3VP
OQNvnNsAN7FbJ0NvJwSLtbDWyAFWvnqtVawJAr0swVtDLQ8hp7eFC2551+R+
bq6jqL5hheU4D6bgR7Fs+GH8x59zs1RFUJH+0v8fNU9nfsYCErkgnqZf8nuu
b.4r45Pwzo9yTQmomOhLBtOl2Iw+jqbfd+hUjCNaT4GP8JwBAZE9D4y3H8pq
tIw6SkoFNUqOI5AwCjpF+QDF3cTXVTPV7hMDkoQ5HDipDEMppD7cqJkr0XIS
Ebm3ECsf5.SC1ScRlOl5.maK0YfRQnWP9JJKvVTXlpyohgZgYfpLgIe2UYdA
+Vck2rXKHLpXDXeDyrwymfe24SJgIm8J0NRCLHwOoWahGsBbz+AISJ0Iig34
2j1DLh.XRSL4LyiFMmI5ylyn2UU2RziahVCrl4OTTDrZ9hN+XWyAdQ6.WNVH
ITjjzzOUuQJa5IvSj7bLceUHmHZZCTSrfy5ctI3L8BvooFrMwSvEvSSeD1DO
gWBOP6hG3kvSf8vy03ttT3bIIuhQnx1TJXXhoZeZXysgQg9cC5On6FANJ1d.
FjbiLXdfolTp9uKr2nu.FbT1vchAl+gicH.7KHHJM0bqnMhgNJe693ABa6xw
Ntfqf.Qezpbl6LQUUqwbQ6dpQhpkgmY7lgwSzCITyPcmP.NdMoyd8Y.Pb0k+
R0M+0byM2aRiAtMmyV2+ArsbdEJ
-----------end_max5_patcher-----------
</code></pre>

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 Post subject: Re: L9: Session automation recording useless in a live situation
PostPosted: Mon Mar 11, 2013 1:02 pm 

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That's not very elegant indeed, but I have no other idea right now.

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 Post subject: Re: L9: Session automation recording useless in a live situation
PostPosted: Mon Mar 11, 2013 1:21 pm 

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Just an idea.. can't you use midistroke or osculator to assign to midi the shift-click behavior ?

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 Post subject: Re: L9: Session automation recording useless in a live situation
PostPosted: Mon Mar 11, 2013 2:11 pm 

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That's basically what this patch does.

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 Post subject: Re: L9: Session automation recording useless in a live situation
PostPosted: Mon Mar 11, 2013 3:09 pm 

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A new element to consider. I've just realised that it works as desired if you keymap the session record O button to a upper case letter like "M" (with shift-m in keymap mode).
That's nice but not perfect.
Let's try to strike it with aka.keyboard now.

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 Post subject: Re: L9: Session automation recording useless in a live situation
PostPosted: Mon Mar 11, 2013 3:13 pm 

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That's good news, thanks. Less scary than using aka.mouse...
By the way i just had an answer from ableton. They say they understand the issue and will submit the idea. Finger crossed !

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 Post subject: Re: L9: Session automation recording useless in a live situation
PostPosted: Mon Mar 11, 2013 3:14 pm 

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Yep! It works, here it is with M mapped to the rec button

<pre><code>
----------begin_max5_patcher----------
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KwEegONbANmy8BOGFfyUa4FL5JzsnffmCCB.HOPP27.7J114ULCDFdE2XXkb
bT6ZV9VKfujuqPsQhRyhPtwnDBz2T6P5CV1rRHq3V3jn6AUM1dTRG5CJo0Hd
hCXwSh6faiztql2xYLFcW2R0L67GExx607411UIS86DMi5aIoscYSheeOhBf
6p7EWLE+gaVxVAW.9ZsfUgtQUUf8q9RXnuIZjdUdi0pjGT8jAU+2jYNSVNrT
SnSRcpapWiz391CoT5zSQKR9F2l+VZmsjMwklyULcwQHz3gSy+btjPyfTJnS
xkGVgj+hj4OX.0UMkNg85QTiSOxZbinTxpvQuOZnBgjYfyDCcoCaSImWaRH+
m4RzwXRoGgIAG.tRH+5ep.E73e14LpF87dAz8KDZOMJ3FqPxrB2mH6ig74fd
TTTvke7QUgvvxq3fFhOXJbrzgNF9b9niOW761Sx4kOjwvGxIvm1hIVc8Zt1z
cl.UbO3Vnz9oYQvTgrcJ7WKVyWK5iGtCLS6p+sth+Fca061Kybkst64kv2.M
b6cW
-----------end_max5_patcher-----------
</code></pre>


Isn't it a crazy workaround! :lol:

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 Post subject: Re: L9: Session automation recording useless in a live situation
PostPosted: Mon Mar 11, 2013 3:19 pm 

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error, edit. Removed.

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 Post subject: Re: L9: Session automation recording useless in a live situation
PostPosted: Mon Mar 11, 2013 3:28 pm 

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Haha i've read your message before you erase it, i went mad !

anyway, working perfectly with aka.keyboard. In this case, mapping the letter O.

<pre><code>
----------begin_max5_patcher----------
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X70g3zI4EPZ0xtm8rmE8puGJSrCTnfuE7q.OuW887blrF7516gpH6xYDkyMD
itEloEkkL.E1d9VhjSpfqcLuoRznYf1E.bm0VS5Wpg1riPA+t6nZhNeCkWtR
B451SwoQyhBCdH19Dm1+b3SnEtrKxd7KyQCgQZPkFjq.NIiAiytAST9oPRQ1
BEqHZsjl0ngCqTc7QGgXqXVCHV2at293bVYXMWvMX87S6q63KblZiPpuAgdj
yLAubp9BlptirEqWiBMu3FVu0w899Gd4dt2ObhZhbQUEv08DuF14Zane1aYs
fqUz+z1Bh5YjSTFQWu8mjj3Z4XW+O1oEvKG0+WKKybwXH1iTDKFCiAx56RJg
E7CAq.cQQwcvCUfRQJgy3gmfWJDOyCRWDFzuNA6V2TOZU5.RYTNjKZ35Qhjo
whuq4KbTKOuz8J9gKOgkdO7Y7cvmb3YS9NiNIOQlYHrLAQV7+Rg0S.ysyqAe
M8LE1n5O4iROck5ul0TZpp+9lp83qoKTTyOPX1+Fzs5V5j4KGMGllbKVJ9SV
kXYIJ+yijRl.GgeubjKnt+Vbxk3NXYseLwoDMx79hpaVN3.zJ.klxIZp8hgA
eRNxmMzhBfOdbpfpr2u5JqnK1.mJZlOAzj9ggF7DPS7GJZvS.M36.MsxHRc8
VPp5BoCHlIsGER61EgtsTd6V20LHIrk16uKGHhzLMnMiBMxVw7tkKP917r2+
eHw44QC
-----------end_max5_patcher-----------
</code></pre>

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 Post subject: Re: L9: Session automation recording useless in a live situation
PostPosted: Mon Mar 11, 2013 3:30 pm 

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wow, and made my patch before i saw you already posted yours !

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 Post subject: Re: L9: Session automation recording useless in a live situation
PostPosted: Mon Mar 11, 2013 4:08 pm 

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Quote:
Haha i've read your message before you erase it, i went mad !

:lol: J'ai mis les épinards avant le beurre. Ou la charrue dans les boeufs. C'est selon. Ca aurait été drôle quand même.

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 Post subject: Re: L9: Session automation recording useless in a live situation
PostPosted: Mon Mar 25, 2013 10:41 am 

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hmm... i'm not very good ad M4l...

How exactly do i use this patch?
noob... :oops:

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 Post subject: Re: L9: Session automation recording useless in a live situation
PostPosted: Mon Mar 25, 2013 10:53 am 

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You have at first to download aka.keyboard external.
Place it in max 6 folder's 'max externals'.
Then open an empty audio or midi m4l patch. copy the the code below. Paste it in the patcher. Save the patch.
Now Key-map the 'session record button' to the letter 'O'.
The button in the device is midi mappable and should arm the OVR without recording clips.

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 Post subject: Re: L9: Session automation recording useless in a live situation
PostPosted: Mon Mar 25, 2013 7:54 pm 

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YAY!!!!

Thank you so much!!!
It's working!!!


do you guys know, if its staable enough for stage?
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 Post subject: Re: L9: Session automation recording useless in a live situation
PostPosted: Mon Mar 25, 2013 8:31 pm 

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How ironic that a missing feature that required a M4L workaround still requires a M4L workaround even after it's been implemented. :x


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