Live 9 browser NIGHTMARE !!!

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drez
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Re: Live 9 browser NIGHTMARE !!!

Post by drez » Thu Mar 28, 2013 6:11 pm

androids wrote: The solution is plain simple : continue indexing in the background but allow to browse the whole structure even if background indexer has not finished its work ...

If ableton stops at that bugfix :
"Scanning folders containing a huge amount of files could take longer than necessary"

then they are just missing the important point.
One wrinkle I see with this: Say Ableton allows you to add something in the project that you browsed to outside of the database and Live continues to index in the background. How does Live then change those references to what is stored in the database after indexing is complete?

What if they could get the indexing down to a few minutes or less instead of many many minutes? Would that be acceptable?

There are best practices for inserting thousands and thousands of rows of data into a database and lots of them depend on different things: how many index's you have so that when you add a record, does it also update those index's at the same time or does it insert the data and THEN reindex? What do you do with record updates? How about reads? Are their queries optimized and do they read with no lock (dirty reads) or do they lock while reading and now the table can't index because another process locked the table?

There are sooooo many scenarios. The important thing is there are TONS of resources available for database optimization. Its just data. Lots of people make a living off tuning and creating better database models. Ableton can get, and I'm sure IS getting, the resources they need to make this work.

That said, has anyone tested 9.0.3b1 to see the difference?
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Re: Live 9 browser NIGHTMARE !!!

Post by drez » Thu Mar 28, 2013 6:14 pm

sp0bjogu wrote:
H20nly wrote:yeah, it was in this very thread... explained by Ableton staff.

there were multiple posts about it, if i'm not mistaken.
Link, or it didn't happen.
Here
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Re: Live 9 browser NIGHTMARE !!!

Post by su » Thu Mar 28, 2013 7:22 pm

sp0bjogu wrote:
H20nly wrote:yeah, it was in this very thread... explained by Ableton staff.

there were multiple posts about it, if i'm not mistaken.
Link, or it didn't happen.
:roll:

if you were my neighbor I'd come click the mouse for you

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Re: Live 9 browser NIGHTMARE !!!

Post by sp0bjogu » Thu Mar 28, 2013 11:54 pm

drez wrote:
sp0bjogu wrote:
H20nly wrote:yeah, it was in this very thread... explained by Ableton staff.

there were multiple posts about it, if i'm not mistaken.
Link, or it didn't happen.
Here
Great, thanks!

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Re: Live 9 browser NIGHTMARE !!!

Post by H20nly » Fri Mar 29, 2013 4:47 am

su wrote:
sp0bjogu wrote:
H20nly wrote:yeah, it was in this very thread... explained by Ableton staff.

there were multiple posts about it, if i'm not mistaken.
Link, or it didn't happen.
:roll:

if you were my neighbor I'd come click the mouse for you
:lol:





thanks drez.

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Re: Live 9 browser NIGHTMARE !!!

Post by pencilrocket » Fri Mar 29, 2013 5:38 am

I wish I could have such a nice neighbor
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Re: Live 9 browser NIGHTMARE !!!

Post by uberdrums » Mon Apr 08, 2013 11:27 am

Not updating to Live 9 until they add a switch for indexing or a legacy browser mode.

It's a shame because i love ableton and i think push is pretty nice... but updating software to suit push users is bit of a step backwards if u ask me.

If you need a controller to browse presets and loops maybe you should take up golf or something. you are gonna need something to do while software has to index your hard disk.

Sorry ableton, i truely love your software. But i think this update needs a lot of work...

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Re: Live 9 browser NIGHTMARE !!!

Post by 3dot... » Mon Apr 08, 2013 1:10 pm

uberdrums wrote:Not updating to Live 9 until they add a switch for indexing or a legacy browser mode.
have fun waiting... :wink:
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Re: Live 9 browser NIGHTMARE !!!

Post by CFM » Mon Apr 08, 2013 1:47 pm

So what's wrong with the browser ?

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Re: Live 9 browser NIGHTMARE !!!

Post by pencilrocket » Mon Apr 08, 2013 1:57 pm

So what's wrong with the 8's browser ?
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Re: Live 9 browser NIGHTMARE !!!

Post by drez » Mon Apr 08, 2013 6:33 pm

pencilrocket wrote:So what's wrong with the 8's browser ?
That doesn't seem relevant to this thread, seeing this thread is focused on the Live 9 browser.
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Re: Live 9 browser NIGHTMARE !!!

Post by snakedogman » Mon Apr 08, 2013 8:07 pm

It seems the next update should bring some optimisations relevant to those having problems with the browser's performance.
Looking at the 9.03 beta release notes so far, it should at least address the following:

1.
The Browser would not update its content pane after a change in the file system if the selection was somewhere outside of the Browser.

2.
Scanning folders containing a huge amount of files could take longer than necessary.

3.
The Ableton Index process would sometimes not scan all folders after adding them to the sidebar.

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Re: Live 9 browser NIGHTMARE !!!

Post by H20nly » Mon Apr 08, 2013 9:25 pm

:( but then we can't complain about it.


to the PDC thread Batman :arrow:

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Re: Live 9 browser NIGHTMARE !!!

Post by uberdrums » Mon Apr 08, 2013 10:11 pm

3dot... wrote:
uberdrums wrote:Not updating to Live 9 until they add a switch for indexing or a legacy browser mode.
have fun waiting... :wink:
Haha, i will! Probably enjoying writing 'music' rather than wanting to throw my laptop out the window...

At least im waiting for some kind of improvement anyway.

while im here, did anyone really complain about the old browser?
I thought it was quite intuative, the bookmarks working particularly well.

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Re: Live 9 browser NIGHTMARE !!!

Post by Blendton » Mon Apr 08, 2013 10:40 pm

uberdrums wrote:
3dot... wrote:
uberdrums wrote:Not updating to Live 9 until they add a switch for indexing or a legacy browser mode.
have fun waiting... :wink:
Haha, i will! Probably enjoying writing 'music' rather than wanting to throw my laptop out the window...

At least im waiting for some kind of improvement anyway.

while im here, did anyone really complain about the old browser?
I thought it was quite intuative, the bookmarks working particularly well.
Yeah but your BitDream is too big to joke about...

>>> BW may be a subside of Ableton, who knows, in fact if you wait for a BW Vs. Abe fight plz wake up dude : even if VaporWig was a reality plz wake UP : Live and BW Studio would be as friends as are Max and Live in the "Max for Live" feature, tell me, if I came @ Cycling'74 or Abe's forums to say Live and Max are about to fuck and sign for a coop, you would have kick/ban my ass with WTF a speed and strength, OK ?

Just think about it and don't dream too much dude, try to do cool stuff like making music with what you have, it's nice IMO :)
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