Live 9 browser NIGHTMARE !!!

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donmich
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Re: Live 9 browser NIGHTMARE !!!

Post by donmich » Mon Mar 11, 2013 9:00 pm

agent314 wrote:
These forums do get read as far as I know, but support is usually the best way to go.
Unfortunately, as far as I can tell a lot of folks seem to want an audience for their ventings and meltdowns more than they want to get their problems actually fixed.
Pointless speculation about peoples motives.
Trust me, (from experience on the manufacturer side), forum buzz puts more pressure and affects sales more than private support emails. Many people are following this. Some kind of acknowledgement and semi-transparency buys a lot of good will.

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Re: Live 9 browser NIGHTMARE !!!

Post by ShelLuser » Mon Mar 11, 2013 9:24 pm

donmich wrote:...coming from a guy that blogged about it and warned people about on on the propellerhead forum. :roll:
Not sure which parts you're referring to here.

I have indeed blogged about support desks in general (link) but that was merely checking how fast and if support desks responded. Ableton's response time wasn't all that bad, but they did require someone with a registered address to contact them.

As me "warning" people in the Props forum... I don't recall that. I do recall commenting on someone's post who feels that Live 9 might be topping Reason, which is something I don't agree with.

I think Live 9 is a good product with some impressive features, but still feels unfinished.
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Re: Live 9 browser NIGHTMARE !!!

Post by donmich » Mon Mar 11, 2013 9:53 pm

ShelLuser wrote:
donmich wrote:...coming from a guy that blogged about it and warned people about on on the propellerhead forum. :roll:
Not sure which parts you're referring to here.

I have indeed blogged about support desks in general (link) but that was merely checking how fast and if support desks responded. Ableton's response time wasn't all that bad, but they did require someone with a registered address to contact them.

As me "warning" people in the Props forum... I don't recall that. I do recall commenting on someone's post who feels that Live 9 might be topping Reason, which is something I don't agree with.

I think Live 9 is a good product with some impressive features, but still feels unfinished.
Ok, wrong subject but I was talking about this... I found it because of your post on the PUF:

"Warning: Live 9 breaks ReWire!"

But whatever...

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Re: Live 9 browser NIGHTMARE !!!

Post by tintala » Tue Mar 12, 2013 1:44 am

androids wrote:Seems that I'm not the only guy with a *large* sample lib right ?

Using a faster computer this weekend, the scanning took me 14 hours to complete, only for my "sample" folder.
I also noticed that loading Live takes about 3 minutes (to load the 1.5 gigs of index file), then another 2 minutes when Live is open until I can use it, and around 2 minutes of disk activity when I quit (does it completely re-write the index file ??)

That's pretty unusable compared to Live 8.

No way I will switch to 9 until there is a "index on/off" somewhere in the prefs.
I want the old fashioned instant "explorer-like" browser.
I want a "Places (indexed)" and "Places (non-indexed)" groups in the browser.

I want Ableton to explain me what is the point to index millions of samples if the only benefit is a search function which returns 3000+ results when is enter "kick" ???

Even if my library is huge, if I want a special type of kick, I know where to look at, and I dont need Live to perform this task for me.

[Library size : 2.4 To, 2'267'497 Files, 113'978 Folders]


8O 8O 8O HELL NO! I have at least 3TB library and growing daily..

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Re: Live 9 browser NIGHTMARE !!!

Post by zeepster » Tue Mar 12, 2013 12:59 pm

I work as producer / sound engineer professionally too, have lot's of drives and folders with samples. I want the ability to EXCLUDE these locations / maps from being indexed. Just let me browse them as in 8.

I don't want a big index database building up somewhere on my C: drive.
Since the early days of DAW's indexing has always been off. I wish Live 9 would give the user an option to do that.

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Re: Live 9 browser NIGHTMARE !!!

Post by androids » Wed Mar 13, 2013 12:48 pm

zeepster wrote:I work as producer / sound engineer professionally too, have lot's of drives and folders with samples. I want the ability to EXCLUDE these locations / maps from being indexed. Just let me browse them as in 8.

I don't want a big index database building up somewhere on my C: drive.
Since the early days of DAW's indexing has always been off. I wish Live 9 would give the user an option to do that.
Exactly.
Never use indexation in Cubase or others DAWs.

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Re: Live 9 browser NIGHTMARE !!!

Post by Ableton Denver » Wed Mar 13, 2013 5:07 pm

I would like to encourage support tickets and calls to the support line.

I am dying over here, I would love to work in Live9 and learn the new features.

Can someone point me to the index file created, I have some ideas on how to hack Ableton.
closed the user group on purpose.

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Re: Live 9 browser NIGHTMARE !!!

Post by zeepster » Wed Mar 13, 2013 5:16 pm

Ableton Denver wrote:I would like to encourage support tickets and calls to the support line.

I am dying over here, I would love to work in Live9 and learn the new features.

Can someone point me to the index file created, I have some ideas on how to hack Ableton.
Was thinking along the same lines, to try make the files.db ReadOnly.

In win it's appdata/roaming/ableton/live 9/database i think

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Re: Live 9 browser NIGHTMARE !!!

Post by Ableton Denver » Wed Mar 13, 2013 6:10 pm

UPDATE : Ableton sent me this link to help :

https://www.ableton.com/en/articles/dat ... malformed/

I was able to get some smaller dirs to index, like before, but the whole system stopped at 650mb test and took far too long to produce any usable results and my main library is not going to be available and will reindex should I make any changes outside of Ableton (oh great!).

I will admit that there was a little improvement, but all in all this is broken, there is nothing short of disabling indexing that will help use true power users.

I think the biggest rub from this dev team is how my external drive sits for quite a while and churns and gets hot. Not cool, back to live 8.
closed the user group on purpose.

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Re: Live 9 browser NIGHTMARE !!!

Post by TYLRbass » Wed Mar 13, 2013 8:25 pm

Ableton Denver wrote:UPDATE : Ableton sent me this link to help :

https://www.ableton.com/en/articles/dat ... malformed/

I was able to get some smaller dirs to index, like before, but the whole system stopped at 650mb test and took far too long to produce any usable results and my main library is not going to be available and will reindex should I make any changes outside of Ableton (oh great!).

I will admit that there was a little improvement, but all in all this is broken, there is nothing short of disabling indexing that will help use true power users.

I think the biggest rub from this dev team is how my external drive sits for quite a while and churns and gets hot. Not cool, back to live 8.
Very interesting.. I also noticed that after this funkyness started happening that the next time I opened Live 8 it automatically repaired my library..
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Re: Live 9 browser NIGHTMARE !!!

Post by Ableton Denver » Wed Mar 13, 2013 11:20 pm

re: Library -- all of us non "Ableton Certified Salespeople" teach students to never, ever, use the library. The Ableton library is so broken and will hurt you so bad.

Instead we always tell people to use external drives or dedicated drives on system for library. Also use the reverse-drag-n-drop methods for device saving as the "save" for macro/groups has a ton of issues.

So this relates to the browser in Ableton crapping out - we are all trained by the broken and immature nature of the existing Ableton library (7+) to not use the Ableton library and have consequently developed alternate methods to make our systems productive and performable.

Unfortunately the hardcore users (name dropping should occur here, but they are sponsored by Ableton and refuse to speak up) don't get the attention that the squeaky wheel bedroom producers get who sit on these forums all day.

I try to stay off these forums (like employees at Ableton) -- but this is so serious I am maintaining my vocal status as we need to fix this!

All I want for pi day (3.14 tomorrow) is a native browser!

please : options.txt -disableIndexing << is that so hard?

check this out : http://resoundsound.com/ableton-live-sh ... on-tracks/ (thx TYLR)
closed the user group on purpose.

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Re: Live 9 browser NIGHTMARE !!!

Post by JuanSOLO » Wed Mar 13, 2013 11:28 pm

Ableton Denver wrote:check this out : http://resoundsound.com/ableton-live-sh ... on-tracks/ (thx TYLR)
This is fucking COOL!
Cant wait to get home now.

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Re: Live 9 browser NIGHTMARE !!!

Post by H20nly » Thu Mar 14, 2013 12:10 am

i see a couple of posts in this thread begging for aknowledgement from Ableton...

:? um, there are at least 2 posts in this very thread from Amaury (at Albeton Headquarters) stating they're working on it...

how do you expect Ableton to read through this mess if you won't? i can understand a thread coming and going unseen, but when you post in the same one???

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Re: Live 9 browser NIGHTMARE !!!

Post by donmich » Thu Mar 14, 2013 2:23 am

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Re: Live 9 browser NIGHTMARE !!!

Post by dazzer » Thu Mar 14, 2013 3:50 am

Can I has true power users too?

I is just bedoom producers :(

Me so sad.

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