Bad "Ableton Live Engine.dll" in 64 bit preventing Rewire?

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Bad "Ableton Live Engine.dll" in 64 bit preventing Rewire?

Post by AlakaLazlo » Sat Mar 09, 2013 4:08 am

Been trying to get the 64 bit Live 9 to work as a Rewire slave. Bottom line, loading Live 9 not only won't work as a rewire slave in Cubase 7/64 bit, but once loaded, it kills the rewire in Live 8. With a bit of help from another member of the Cubase forum I THINK we have tracked the problem to the "Ableton Live Engine.dll" file that Live 9 creates and then points to in the registry.

Logic behind my guess...

Wnder Wondows 7/64it, Cubase 7 64 bit is supposed to run the rewire device (.dll) files that at this registry location:

[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Propellerhead Software\ReWire]

With Live 9 64bit installed, you should see this associated registry entry:

[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Propellerhead Software\ReWire\Ableton Live Engine]
When expanded, you get:
"Device Path"="C:\\ProgramData\\Ableton\\Live 9 Standard\\Program\\Ableton Live Engine.dll"

If you install and run Live 8, the regestry entry changes to:

"Device Path"="C:\\ProgramData\\Ableton\\Live 8\\Program\\Ableton Live Engine.dll"

It appears (at least n my system) that Ableton 8 will Rewire slave to Cubase 7 ONLY IF the last version of Live opened was 8 (because it repoints the registry at the file in the Live 8 subdirectory.

But if you open 9, it readjusts the registry to point to the
ProgramData\ableton\live 9 standard\program\Ableton Live Engine.dll file. That .dll is apparently broken, won't allow Cubase to load it or open the necessary Rewire option in the Device Panel, and thereby prevents either from running under Rewire.

Now lets see how long it takes Ableton to fix it...
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Re: Bad "Ableton Live Engine.dll" in 64 bit preventing Rewire?

Post by 102455 » Sun Mar 10, 2013 9:25 pm

Would somebody care to email Ableton and point them here?

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Post by v00d00ppl » Sun Mar 10, 2013 11:27 pm

I'll email and call tomorrow. This functionality is very important
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Re: Bad "Ableton Live Engine.dll" in 64 bit preventing Rewire?

Post by djfirestone » Fri Mar 15, 2013 4:03 am

Please fix this. I have been waiting for Live 9 64 bit to work with Cubase 7 64 bit. I am disappointed that Rewire capability is now broken.

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Re: Bad "Ableton Live Engine.dll" in 64 bit preventing Rewire?

Post by jace_(nz) » Sat Mar 16, 2013 12:17 am

I often rewire ableton as slave to sonar x2, Rewire stil works for multiple audio to sonar,
But my biggest loss, making this particulars setup redundant,i normally use sonar as my midi sequencer, so i send individual midi tacks to each device/channel strip/track in live via multiple midi outputs and the feed it all back to soanr as multiple audio tracks, but ableton is no longer acepting midi in from my rewire master not even a single track, not that a single has much purpose anyhow,I really hope this is fixed or iam redundant,I dont suppose anyone else has mentioned this to ableton yet ?

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Re: Bad "Ableton Live Engine.dll" in 64 bit preventing Rewire?

Post by AlakaLazlo » Tue Mar 19, 2013 10:22 pm

BUMP! Ableton, please fix this!
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Re: Bad "Ableton Live Engine.dll" in 64 bit preventing Rewire?

Post by tintala » Tue Mar 19, 2013 10:37 pm

I rewire all the time, so this would drive me nutz, Tis why one shouldn't buy beta versions the day they are available... so many bugs.. infested , all i see in the forum lately are bugs about 9... :wink: Prudent to wait until the next update or later.

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Re: Bad "Ableton Live Engine.dll" in 64 bit preventing Rewire?

Post by AlakaLazlo » Thu Mar 21, 2013 12:11 am

@Tintala: Point taken. I've had problems with the Cubase 7 update too. I'm actually a new Ableton user. Got it because several members of my group use it. Got 8 just a few weeks before 9 was released and it came with the upgrade. But what's so annoying here is that the Live8/64 rewire was working with Cubase (my main DAW). I'm a bit disappointed that Ableton would release 9 knowing such a crucial feature was broken. But your main point is correct. It seems these days that initial releases are always problematic. Better to wait till .1 or .2 versions become available.
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Re: Bad "Ableton Live Engine.dll" in 64 bit preventing Rewire?

Post by v00d00ppl » Thu Mar 21, 2013 2:28 pm

102455 wrote:Would somebody care to email Ableton and point them here?

Already have over a week ago still no reply. :( The only reply I got was automated.
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Re: Bad "Ableton Live Engine.dll" in 64 bit preventing Rewire?

Post by mmorgan » Fri Mar 22, 2013 4:40 pm

Sure hope they get this taken care of...really soon.

Why they would ship an RTM product without promised functionality is a mystery to me.

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Re: Bad "Ableton Live Engine.dll" in 64 bit preventing Rewire?

Post by Murphmann » Fri Mar 22, 2013 9:56 pm

Hi guys,
just seen this thread. I had the same problem, Live 9 rewire not working and also killing the rewire function in Live 8. Had to uninstall Live 9 to get the rewire back for Live 8. I am using it alongside Reaper. I emailed Ableton and got a response saying that the rewire function in 9 isn't working and they are working on a fix. They said they will email me when a fix is available.
Don't know if everyone knows this info?? I will post here when the email me.
Thanks.

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Re: Bad "Ableton Live Engine.dll" in 64 bit preventing Rewire?

Post by Murphmann » Fri Mar 22, 2013 9:58 pm

Sorry meant to say that this is concerning 64 bit Ableton. This was their response.

Hello there,
>>
>> Thanks for your e-mail.
>>
>> At the moment Rewiring Live 9 64-bit as Slave is not working: our
>> developers are aware of this bug and we hope to release a fix very soon.
>>
>> We are sorry for any inconveniences, and please do not hesitate to get
>> back to us should you need further assistance.
>>
>> Kind regards,

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Re: Bad "Ableton Live Engine.dll" in 64 bit preventing Rewire?

Post by Knight Industry » Wed Apr 03, 2013 7:29 pm

32 bit is not working either :(

Until Then perhaps this will work

http://jackaudio.org/download

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Re: Bad "Ableton Live Engine.dll" in 64 bit preventing Rewire?

Post by AlakaLazlo » Mon Apr 08, 2013 3:17 pm

Another week, another beta, and still no Rewire fix....
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