agreed. loving the Cubase update over here.DrWashington wrote:At least Cubase is on a roll lately
i'm liking Live 9 though. we'll see what happens when the teething is done.
I was here telling people how disappointing Live 8 was and how Live 9 will be,DrWashington wrote:Personally, I just can't believe this program was ever released in its current state. It's a disgrace. Nothing but problems so far. Hell, I can't even get live to go into fullscreen properly! It works just fine on 8.3 and 8.4, but on 9.0.2, the Windows taskbar won't stay put in the background: it comes right back and cuts off part of the screen!
Just unbelievable. I hate to be negative, but I'm really, really turned off by the direction Ableton has been headed of late. Their new site looks pretty bad, too. It's just crap design. I love good design, but this is Berlin hipster bullshit in action. Fire these people. Go back to something pleasing and easy to navigate.
So, no, I am NOT happy with Live 9. At least Cubase is on a roll lately, and I can actually get some music made without the damn thing crashing constantly... Steinberg are doing it right at the moment. Over at Ableton, it's fucking amateur hour.
Really, really frustrated right now... I've wasted hours fighting with 9. My Saturday is half shot because they, after 3 years, released a turd so they could sell hardware.
FOCUS ON MAKING THE BASICS WORK FIRST, and then, only then, start trying to make everything different.
Bitwig cannot come soon enough. I hope they trounce Ableton. I really do. I've had enough!
Also, why haven't they included a better stretch algorithm? This was the ONE THING I really, really wanted. Complex Pro will get me by, sort of, when DJing, but it smears the transients, narrows the stereo field, and no amount of post processing can make it any better. Computer are much faster now. Why couldn't they have focused a bit more on this, something basic and something the professional musicians might actually care about? Why are they trying to revolutionize something that just needs to be IMPROVED and STABILIZED?
I really don't get it. I'm so very upset with this company, and I feel genuinely cheated.
At least their support guy was very nice and sympathetic to the issues I've been bringing up, but he basically said he's really low on the totem pole over there and they don't listen to him, anyway. This attitude will, if not rectified, be Ableton's undoing. What a tragedy... I've spent thousands on this company at this point, and this is what I get? Unusable software after 3 years of waiting?
Fuck you, Ableton. Seriously, eat a dick.
im almost positive this is flying lotus,welcome aboard steve..i feel your pain.DrWashington wrote:OK, having slept off some of the rage I was feeling yesterday, I've had time to examine my feelings. Yep, I'm still pretty pissed. I just really don't feel there's an excuse for the direction they've taken.
I couldn't give two shits about yet another piece of hardware to take up space and compromise the ergonomics of my studio yet again. I want the focus to be on sound quality and usability above all else.
I have Suite 9 now, and I've done almost nothing but fight with it to try and get it to behave correctly. And, it won't.
Yes, I know my post was harsh--but this company genuinely needs a wakeup call! What they're doing just smacks of greed, quite honestly.
I have nothing against useful hardware, don't get me wrong... what I have a problem with is the focus on it to the exclusion of very important usability and sound quality concerns.
When it comes to production, there's still absolutely no comparison: Cubase absolutely mops the floor with Ableton. It's worlds more powerful, and there's no getting around that. That's why I use Ableton primarily to develop a vision of mine: live remixing live PA hybrid DJ sets. Getting all my stems together and smoothly blending them with bits of what's now a rather vast collection of carefully selected tunes.
For this, I wan the focus to be on sound quality above all else. If only there was a stretch algorithm I could rely on to work near-transparently on any complete song, I'd be absolutely over the fucking moon! My laptop can handle damn near anything I throw at it, so efficiency really is not a primary concern. I just want it to sound absolutely top notch on a top quality sound system, like one of the big Funktion One systems we now have locally.
Ableton would rather put their misguided idea of 'innovation' over completeness, stability, and a feeling of solid, reliable coherence in workflow.
I think this is great software in so many ways... I just can't believe how let down I feel after three years of patiently waiting and singing Ableton's praises to all my friends. Fuck me, right?
Oh, and this taskbar issue... how this managed to slip by the beta testers I really can't imagine. Like I said, 32-bit 8.3 and 64-bit 8.4 both work perfectly, as have all previous versions. This is just an issue with 9.0.2. I can't remember if this was happening with the earlier ones, but it's driving me mad. I'm often in full screen, and now I can't be at all. Great. Peachy. Simply fabulous!
Is this true?Buleriachk wrote: Live 9's main direction is towards Push, integrating controller wieh software.
I wish I could afford Push, really. So I'll just agree with your thoughts just because I felt the experience being like you post about it : I mean Live 9 being great, Push being indeed "another pad stutff" but that integration you talk about is very interesting from me but never saw the Push for real... Just reading other's experiences about how the two work together make asking "is Live enhancing the hardware or is Push enhancing the software" question ^^agent314 wrote:I'd been using 9 without Push up until last week, and it stands on its own very handily
But using it with Push for even just a week, I feel pretty confident in saying they definitely are directing a lot of workflow development towards integrating the Live workflow with it.
And frankly, with good reason. Using Push makes me hope I never have to use Live without it again. It just feels like so much of a more connected, integrated, hands-on workflow, that going back to a mostly m+k+MIDI controller setup feels like such a regression.
Push isn't perfect, but for a 1.0 release, I'm pretty happy with it.
Live 9 on its own, very solid. Live 9+Push = great.