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 Post subject: Re: Happy with Live 9?
PostPosted: Thu Mar 14, 2013 6:51 am 

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H20nly wrote:
pablorotter wrote:
they themselves announced live 9 64 bit is crap.

if by "they themselves" you mean Ableton, can i get a link to that?

if you mean anyone else, then i'll continue to use this one: http://forum.ableton.com


Well, not really "crap", but if you read their FAQ on the topic, you get the idea that they are not really that convinced about their own product.

Here:
https://www.ableton.com/en/articles/64bit-myths-facts/

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Which version does Ableton recommend?

We recommend using the 32-bit version of Live for most use cases. The 64-bit version should be used when experiencing out of memory crashes on systems which have more than 4GB RAM installed.


Quote:
There are no further technical advantages of a 64-bit version of Live.



Well, that's not very promising in the first place, is it?


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 Post subject: Re: Happy with Live 9?
PostPosted: Thu Mar 14, 2013 7:39 am 

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Sorry didn't read any post but the last so "JOKE Mode ON" :

>>> can some (probably) sound mastermind give me a reason to think 64-bit is awesome we need that at any cost ... ???

Because long story short, the "... crashes with more than 4GB RAM ..." line is the only reason for 64-bit versions of all music producing hard/soft/VST/WTF? thing in computer music making...

I have clic 64-bit, in fact I could regret that and redo an install but not masturbating-size matters thinking enough to do so, in fact the goal isn't (this post included) ... --- I'm on my break netween two work-mode and since I sleep ~10h a week microsleeps all in one summed up I...

It's time to make music dudes, not being features-dreamers and if you take a bit insight 64-bit yeah the "above 3 or 4GB and 2GB limit per file stuff" ... 64-bit isn't more than that. Could be better or better etc but compatibility & stuff...

I may have drawbacks with my Suite 9 x64 like some VSYs not being x64 then not usable, but I have a "more than 4GB" problem with some sets so...

Sometimes I think about my regrets that what I buy isn't undled with cigars, coke weed or 50y single malt and a whore sorting out from the box (or .zip archive), since I'm sooooo a cute consumer... >>> MUSIC !!! NOW !!! STOP DOING YOUR HAND ON TROLLING

We, ... At least I consider myself as a CUSTOMER >>> your do CONSUMER thinking in forget doing sound with 9 or 8 WTF I should care what you like, :D

Anyway you'll know some heavy "do X things at the same time" Suite 9 customers are pleased with the upgrade, coming from Suite 8 + M4L 5.1.9 based. Nothing blocks any kind of 1% of a parameter / sound / stuff I want. Oh yeah, because of the indexer, I knew by logic that installation is long and that 1st launch + browser config is a one-shot to do at 1st start or else ... so after all was done I just let S9 run for 24h... Don't know therefore what it feels to lag into L9 or S9 browser because an indexer, I know what it is, I like in fact.

YES, I love Suite 9. It can make you able to spoof someone that je's listening classical instrument based music as it allows to perform IDM/EDM and even shitstep sorry dubstep as far as this term refers to some genre ^^

Enjoy and have a good day, let's sound right and if Ableton make you as*hole thinking go to another to cry whatever you choose because that's how this stuff work, didn't you realise averyone complains more than before these times ? Win8, Apple, Or nothing to do with tech stuff...

We are musicians right ? I finish this post I would like to post everywhere people mastyrbates on a release + or - poll / blahhh but time to live, so ...

Regards,

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 Post subject: Re: Happy with Live 9?
PostPosted: Thu Mar 14, 2013 8:11 am 

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/add device : LITTLE SUM UP NOTHING YOU SHOULD CARE

I used to pro-tools time lose, just remembred my PT 8 201 certification meaning two "masturbator mode" exams as I was younger, Cubase cluster-headaches masochist work, Studio One tried demo but why spend more $$$ ... no matter in fact.

FL Studio was the last to share my "workflow" bit since they are in long-lasting every-day critical time-costing copy/paste/update .dll mode before a stable 11, I won't reinstall my FL Studio 10 Signature or spend time with betas from them I did but they do exactly what I saw in a Page 4 here post "making things complicated"...

As far as I know pretty nothing in music producing, my workflow is at its fastest state as I post and wants users to relax... forget this line I tried being sketchy.

Last try : I produce more in less time in all ways than in ever did since the workflow began in 2001. I think is you're not therefore you have to upgrade yourself ... I mean your workflow. I'm far from being alone to find Abe 9 the present better DAW being involved in the resume from 2001...

Maybe there are people who can complain, if like me they do things right. The first thing I check when workflow is compromised is myself.

Hoping you'll find your perfect harmonized toolbox for doing music, and all the best to all.

Bye

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 Post subject: Re: Happy with Live 9?
PostPosted: Thu Mar 14, 2013 9:57 am 

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I'm surprised no-one has mentioned the automatic snap-or-not-snap to grid in the piano roll editor. It's really clever and works well.

Maybe no-one else uses the piano roll any more? :roll:


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 Post subject: Re: Happy with Live 9?
PostPosted: Thu Mar 14, 2013 10:15 am 

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Dude, you talk about one of XYZ awesome thing to have been waited and being now mastered to... I won't end this line.

I think now 99% of music stuff buyers never do at least a single thing, they try they buy they consume they"re jerking of but pfff...

As a mark of compassion I wanted to answer you whatever I don't care, to emphasize and lose time like you, we must be strong sjheeps are shipping and they were hidden until why the fuck it's those days but it happened : speaking about snap to is in fact useless, it's like explain how to breathe, you do it or not but don't blahblahhh about your breath... BTW mine has gone I'm doing the same, forum posts, music isn't posting, posting the snap trick is less than music because unless you talk to musicians, you speak in chinese here...

.. :'(

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 Post subject: Re: Happy with Live 9?
PostPosted: Thu Mar 14, 2013 11:44 am 

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K1D1M35N wrote:
H20nly wrote:
pablorotter wrote:
they themselves announced live 9 64 bit is crap.

if by "they themselves" you mean Ableton, can i get a link to that?

if you mean anyone else, then i'll continue to use this one: http://forum.ableton.com


Well, not really "crap", but if you read their FAQ on the topic, you get the idea that they are not really that convinced about their own product.

Here:
https://www.ableton.com/en/articles/64bit-myths-facts/

Quote:
Which version does Ableton recommend?

We recommend using the 32-bit version of Live for most use cases. The 64-bit version should be used when experiencing out of memory crashes on systems which have more than 4GB RAM installed.


Quote:
There are no further technical advantages of a 64-bit version of Live.



Well, that's not very promising in the first place, is it?


They're just being accurate. There aren't really any technical advantages to using 64 bit versions of any music software unless you're using lots of big sampler instruments or similar (which Ableton mention on that page) and hence using up all your RAM. 32 bit audio processing has a 192dB dynamic range even before dithering which is so far above the dynamic range of the human ear it's stupid.

To be fair since Ableton is performance software I guess a lot of Ableton users will be interested in using huge sampler instruments and will find 64 bit useful for that.


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 Post subject: Re: Happy with Live 9?
PostPosted: Thu Mar 14, 2013 12:23 pm 

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Yeah, just look at what i'll write lol

Firsy, I came here once before last sunday, it was for Q -> A one shot then "thank you" ... It was in 09/2011 lol

Then a version upgrade, workflow improvement acclaimed, but did you point how much void-ing "in-space wind blowing divided by zero" persons who just are "buyers", installers, consumers with strong belief thney make music, but the fact is that

RIGHT KNOW WE MUST LEARN TO THE MANY LATE PEOPLE SOME 1+1=2 facts, here it is the fact that every thinking computer using and even industry leaders consider 64-bit as an easy mean to please the 99%, these guys I call "size matters cult WTF how to perform"...

It reminds me early game consoles marketing "32 64 ... bit" way to provoke erections (and bonus joke, in France "a dick" is spelled "une bite")

So here we are, I'm taking breaks not to listen to X walk to Y or do the Z

Ableton forums are essentially running arount "a number of bit" (in french "nombre de bites", since we may have fallen into the suckers lair I prefer therefore to uncheck "notify if answer" case I won't be sucked by suckers who can't do if a blank is added at a clip end, debates on automation browsing indexing here this is the 64 bit myth I didn't know 99% of "advised customers" believed it's something other than a dawn shitty garbage to manage with when being in pro or just tech-average deep like sound production or our brothers from the imaging and video processing side of computer assisted artistic domain where we DO have "more than 4GB" and memory adressingn real problems, but well, if I didn't have had that b ad idea to enjoy doing "spoof classical" sound just 'cause I love to tell people around they listen to electro when it's processed and precise orchestral sounds based tracks lol

THE END, for me, I must be insane to continue I have at least mentioned my little MUSICAL bit of taste just above, keeping smile, ...

Waiting for this place to become a music evolving purposed thing. Not a "mine's bigger than yours" orbeing forc ed to rfead the "I should have .... with another 64-bit major version of soft, let's say the last I saw, the guy talked about Cubase 7 lol... If i was evil I could wish he do so, just to imagine how steinbergcommunity would be huhhhhhhhh

BSOD

NO REBOOT

SHUTING DOWN

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 Post subject: Re: Happy with Live 9?
PostPosted: Thu Mar 14, 2013 2:23 pm 

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friend_kami wrote:
i stopped using l9 when it was still in beta and now i switched to studio one, so yeah, i'm happy (with S1 which pretty much shits and laughs on live on all occasions).
only thing i'm missing with S1 is a modular build-your-own-thingamajig-thing that is M4L but i'm not fucking handing over another 3.5k swedish for an integrated spectrum on an eq, a browser that is useless, fades on curves that you can hardnöy control precise enough and a build-your-own-thingamajig, when you still hve a horrible workflow once you hit a certain track-count or do editing small enough.

with that said, bye bye ableton, it was nice buying a beta-release from you. too bad you released one more, instead of a product worth it's name (and the upgrade price).


PreSonus Studio One was my second choice when I was researching which DAW to buy about 1.5 years ago. I'll say though, I'm very happy I bought Ableton Live 8 at the time (Live 9 now). Coming from a background of a decade of just being a "regular" musician (guitar, bass and piano) before entering the DAW world, I will never own a DAW without a Session View type of view. There isn't a substitute for session view in terms of arrangement testing and song building ideas in any other DAW. Bitwig will possibly be that new except, if and when it comes out.

Otherwise, as cool as Studio One seems, and the positive views I hear about it, I wouldn't use it as anything more than a secondary DAW. To me, the usefulness of session view in terms of arrangement of a song and in terms of very quickly being able to hear how various parts of a song sound together far outweighs any shortcomings of any of Ableton's other areas. And honestly, for what I do, there really aren't any shortcomings of any other Ableton areas.

Enjoy Studio One though, and feel free to take your negativity over to their forums.


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 Post subject: Re: Happy with Live 9?
PostPosted: Thu Mar 14, 2013 2:55 pm 

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To answer the question, yes I'm happy with Live 9. It's much more stable than Live 8 was for me, and it's faster. I like the new piano roll editor, and yes, I use it a lot. Honestly, I hate piano roll editors and much prefer to edit in a musical staff, but I realize that that feature will probably never exist in Live, or most DAWs. So yeah, the current piano roll editor is just as good as any other piano roll editors, which really just seem like second rate musical staff editors. So that's perfectly fine.

I actually find the spectrum behind EQ8 to be very time saving. This was definitely a feature I didn't know I wanted or cared about (since you could insert a spectrum separately), but I like it. I also love the EQ8 auditioning tool.

I haven't used the glue compressor much, so I can't comment on that.

I used the melody to MIDI function the other day on a guitar line that later in a song I decided I wanted the piano to play. So I right clicked and told Ableton to convert it. Then after ~60 seconds of editing the resulting line, it was perfect and bam, I have the melody I played via the guitar early in the song instantly now as MIDI that I can use with the grand piano sound. Perfect.

Anyway, yeah, I agree, there were no groundbreaking changes to Live 9, and I wish there were more large improvements made. However, as an upgrade from regular Live 8 to Live 9 Suite, the price wasn't terrible, and I loved the increase in stability when I was beta testing. So yes, while I would've liked more large feature updates definitely, I'm still happy with Live 9.

I think sometimes people forget that music is mostly about the interplay between melodies, harmonies and rhythms. The technological advances that have been occurring in the last decade or so haven't really given us musicians the ability to write a BETTER song, just the ability to do it more quickly and easily. At least, that's mostly true. Depending on your music though, maybe DAW features really do give you the ability to write a better song.

But in the end, it's really 90% about the interplay of melodies, harmonies and rhythms, and only 10% about the other more technological stuff. I think we're really at the point where most advances in DAW technology is really just shoring up that 10%, and really, just a small portion of that 10%, as the most important technological advances to music making have already occurred.


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 Post subject: Re: Happy with Live 9?
PostPosted: Thu Mar 14, 2013 3:44 pm 

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All of the good melodies, harmonies, and musical structures have already been created. The only issue now is finding them on the internet....

Well, ok, there is the final issue of "how much cowbell"... :-)

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 Post subject: Re: Happy with Live 9?
PostPosted: Thu Mar 14, 2013 4:22 pm 

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Yeah we did it there's at least one guy who didn't fotgry "tech stuff" and "OMG loog my home studio is the biggest one I use to jerk off on my not yet Push whuch be so cooool between my Maschine and all that stuff but sorry dudes I'm so sad having orgasm hearing my <null> (void) </null> silence OUPS

Crap, SpeedKing you know what, you seem to know "less is more" concept and let's enjoy this not complete upgrade, enjoy that some day, Suite 8 was launched, and another, BAM ! The first DAW allowing +music -hand-64bit-shake with a unified tool faving both a minimalism fashion with almost avery musical genre taken care of, from the modest guitar exploring mean to sound different, to Deadmau5 or BSOD/ Steve Dudas ultra hard-skilled OSX/Pure >Data Lemur Monome and stuff which make me move my ass on good Electro/Complextro or IDM ... Yes I talk about Max For Live, the thing other don't have in their warehouse even Komplete Ultimate still remains a simple bunch of synths and samplers, BTW to give the sad and "let's take a sit an d rhink about what happens here"...

Got it in two sec, I think we may be enjoying an already awesome Live/Suite 89 with who knows hide something other than Push which seem yo make jerking-guys excited >>> king of ém4l like" surprise to make the last 10% countdown to near zero,

... in brief I'm scared this could be the last dongle free pro+ musical software company and this kind of reactions make me loop-thinking... I see BitWig as a menacing thing because it will be either a cross-comanion to the older one, sure it will give birth to millions of trolls forgeting about "making music, the ideal being invent some sound not yet head, vut at the same time the goal is to spend less time in producing / sequencing and mastering the final product, cliick less, less Push, less stuff on the desk for more sound and innovation

>>> Wow yeah sorry mu utopist mode write like a dreamer, the fact is that afer years of average harmony and prace in our music business or hobby passion whatever... Now that even Abe's being attacked by trolling invasion after the geniously made deal "bundle with simple powerful DAW and its enemy, the coding patches Max, becoming one, even that didn't stop people who just "buy stuff" will maje what FL Studio huys call "the DAW warsz and more than 44100Hz/16-bit sampling is proved to be USELESS IN REALITY even if testing tools say "more is better" ...

That's why my music making stuff, it's a personal thing. In fact I'm here after a little 'real' piano session, and I surprised myself having more pleasure than last monthes with tech-stuff, my Yamaha hard-real piano is a powerhoorse in terms of workflow, "Why did come to computing techs stuff in 2001 ... zstill searching...

LOL >>> I go now, it may be my indexer entering endless-loop mode ;-)

All musicians, regards. Others, nothing and even won't judge anyone after all.. it used to be just about music before... :/

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 Post subject: Re: Happy with Live 9?
PostPosted: Thu Mar 14, 2013 4:31 pm 

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Buleriachk wrote:
All of the good melodies, harmonies, and musical structures have already been created. The only issue now is finding them on the internet....

Well, ok, there is the final issue of "how much cowbell"... :-)



[object_cowbell_says] Hmmmmeuuuuuuuuuuuuuuhhhhhhh [/object_cowbell_says]

Dude, we found something, less is more, you heared that cow ?

I keep hope then ;-) (the "you hear" parameter was in fact not user choose, was an opt-in sound (Inception Mode lol)

They want discuss about browsing or automating, OK, sandbox is a playground like others after all... BTW I leave now to sit back nfront of the piano.

Regards ^^

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 Post subject: Re: Happy with Live 9?
PostPosted: Thu Mar 14, 2013 5:13 pm 

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Punky921 wrote:
My price layout:
$250 for Live 6, Live 7, and upgrade to Live 7 Suite (bought used off a guy on here)
$350 for Live 8 Suite upgrade, Hip-Hop Drums, and M4L (bought during a sale)
$200 for Live 9

One thing about this update to Suite that made me 8O , is the included complete Orchestral Collection. About a year ago I paid 500 Euros.
Gulp. Me jerk - should've waited. :cry:


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 Post subject: Re: Happy with Live 9?
PostPosted: Thu Mar 14, 2013 5:55 pm 

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RhinoInRio wrote:
Punky921 wrote:
My price layout:
$250 for Live 6, Live 7, and upgrade to Live 7 Suite (bought used off a guy on here)
$350 for Live 8 Suite upgrade, Hip-Hop Drums, and M4L (bought during a sale)
$200 for Live 9

One thing about this update to Suite that made me 8O , is the included complete Orchestral Collection. About a year ago I paid 500 Euros.
Gulp. Me jerk - should've waited. :cry:


Yeah and holy shit, it's brilliant. It's one of my favorite new things about Suite 9.


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 Post subject: Re: Happy with Live 9?
PostPosted: Thu Mar 14, 2013 7:09 pm 

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K1D1M35N wrote:
H20nly wrote:
pablorotter wrote:
they themselves announced live 9 64 bit is crap.

if by "they themselves" you mean Ableton, can i get a link to that?

if you mean anyone else, then i'll continue to use this one: http://forum.ableton.com


Well, not really "crap", but if you read their FAQ on the topic, you get the idea that they are not really that convinced about their own product.

Here:
https://www.ableton.com/en/articles/64bit-myths-facts/

Quote:
Which version does Ableton recommend?

We recommend using the 32-bit version of Live for most use cases. The 64-bit version should be used when experiencing out of memory crashes on systems which have more than 4GB RAM installed.


Quote:
There are no further technical advantages of a 64-bit version of Live.



Well, that's not very promising in the first place, is it?


no, i get the idea that they don't think you need a 64 bit DAW if the RAM in a 32 bit DAW is being under utilized.

what's "not promising" about it? they are stating fact. what other gains to you expect your DAW to get from a 64 bit version?

if anything, i think Ableton are trying to spare everyone from getting trigger happy and downloading a 64 bit DAW... THEN coming to the forum and starting YET ANOTHER thread and/or rant about how their (32 bit) plugins are missing...


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