Ableton Traing Courses - yes or no?

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Ableton Traing Courses - yes or no?

Post by Whistlers » Fri Mar 15, 2013 2:26 pm

Hi All

I am new to Ableton - but very old (very old!) to music. Been a musician/singer for many years.

My question is, should I pay near enough £2k for a full course on Ableton via Point Blank or similar, or should I invest the money and teach myself?

And if you feel I should go for training - what experiences have people had? I will need to do either weekends or online.

Point Blank looks good - but seems a lot.

I want to make electronic music in the style of Ninja Tune or Warp -

any help welcome, coz I realise you're a helpful bunch !

Steve

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Post by beats me » Fri Mar 15, 2013 3:07 pm

I always recommend macprovideo.com. They already have a bunch of Live 9 tuts too.

http://www.macprovideo.com/tutorials/Ab ... pplication

They can add up in price individually so maybe go with a subscription for a month or 2...or as long as you want. A lot of other great music tuts on there as well.

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Post by Tarekith » Fri Mar 15, 2013 3:19 pm

Warp Academy was just announced at the Live 9 and Push event here in Seattle last week. Reasonably priced training videos done by a huge group of Live Certified Trainers. Launching by the end of the month, stayed tuned.

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Post by wjbuchanan » Fri Mar 15, 2013 3:45 pm

Hi Steve,
I was in a similar position to you, I mostly played guitar before getting interested in Ableton.

Honestly I think I've learnt more from browsing these forums and Youtube that ever could have learnt from an instructor.

What you will need is patience and a lot of free time!

As long as you research the issue first, use the search function beforehand, and word your problem properly there will always be someone willing to help on this forum I think.

I think having a musical background will help you a lot, you'll only really need help getting your ideas into Ableton.

If I were you, I'd invest the money in a copy of Suite and a hardware controller...

Cheers

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Post by david.barker » Fri Mar 15, 2013 3:46 pm

Whistlers wrote:Hi All

I am new to Ableton - but very old (very old!) to music. Been a musician/singer for many years.

My question is, should I pay near enough £2k for a full course on Ableton via Point Blank or similar, or should I invest the money and teach myself?

And if you feel I should go for training - what experiences have people had? I will need to do either weekends or online.

Point Blank looks good - but seems a lot.

I want to make electronic music in the style of Ninja Tune or Warp -

any help welcome, coz I realise you're a helpful bunch !

Steve

Hi Steve :D

I cannot recommend MacPro video tutorial courses,enough!!!

There are very good,much cheaper than a college course

I got the ones for Reason and Live 8, just recently bought some of the Live 9 one.

As a non musician,I started with Reason, about 4 years ago and bought some Macpro videos upon another recommendation too,and haven't looked back!! He,he

These have really helped me out to learn electronic music production,and already have had positive comments,he,he


Be warned some of those tutorials, can run into 2.5hrs or a bit more, but great and packed with content,lol

You can go and forth to that particular course, and re- listen to certain sections too,etc,etc :)

Also there is a free online course right now, Whats New in Live ,for you to have a look through,very detailed

A very good intro,for you .Go and have a look,and see what is all about (if your on a PC,don't worry,the tutors show you the shortcuts for PC as well as Mac users :D

all the best Steve

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Post by Whistlers » Fri Mar 15, 2013 3:53 pm

Wow - thanks guys....much appreciated.

I have Suite 9, APC - and the Push is on back order.........MacPro will be my first port after this forum......thanks

Steve

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Post by H20nly » Fri Mar 15, 2013 4:17 pm

Whistlers wrote:Wow - thanks guys....much appreciated.

I have Suite 9, APC - and the Push is on back order.........MacPro will be my first port after this forum......thanks

Steve
perfect.

now STOP.

no more spending money!!

more purchases just means more to learn and technical shit to get lost in, confused about, angry over, etc, etc... don't make the mistake of 'gear lust = path to better music'.

take the [good] advice you got here and learn Live. it's like anything else, the more you use it the better you get. with the equipment you've purchased there is nothing stopping you.

don't forget to have fun...

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Post by bastien » Fri Mar 15, 2013 4:21 pm

Use the 2k to buy yourself time off work!

(...I really ought to take this advice myself sometime soon :| )

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Post by puzzlefactory » Fri Mar 15, 2013 4:33 pm

As well as macprovideo also try groove3 and sonic academy. (http://www.groove3.com/str/ http://www.sonicacademy.com/)

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Post by beats me » Fri Mar 15, 2013 4:49 pm

MacProVideo also has a free iOS (not sure about Android) app so you can watch tuts on the go, or if you have a single computer monitor and an iPad you can watch and noodle at the same time without worrying about windows blocking each other.

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Post by Valiumdupeuple » Fri Mar 15, 2013 6:17 pm

You can learn everything by just learning the software (the integrated lessons are almost all you need, you'll get everything in an evening), playing and experimenting with it, search for tutorials on youtube, read the huge amount of interesting stuff around here on the forum. If you're a musician, Live will rapidly becomes natural to use, it really is an instrument before being a DAW.
Don't waste your money on Point Blank, those guys obviously are amateur brats.

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Post by tehupbeat » Fri Mar 15, 2013 7:02 pm

Hi there!

My recommendation for you is here: http://www.quantizecourses.com - it's a U.K. based online music school specialised in Ableton Live and I am really convinced of their concept. It won't cost you a fortune like other online schools however you get dedicated, personal feedback videos. You would send in an Ableton project every week and get a .mov file in return in which your tutor explains what you could improve etc. so he's working on your track as well and it's almost like sitting next to someone in the studio. Plus there are tons of tutorial videos to watch and what you learn is really independent from any particular genre. What I got from the course enabled me not only to make professional sounding electronic dance music but also downbeat and more experimental stuff as well as some electronica tracks. http://www.soundcloud.com/michael-knead is my Souncloud page, if you want to take a listen. ;)

They have affiliations with other companies and would help you in a very personal way which I think is totally cool.
You won't feel anonymous although it's an online school.

To make a long story short, check out the Quantize Courses website and give it a go, I have some friends who all took a course there and everyone is still convinced that the money was well spent.

Cheers

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Post by hoffman2k » Fri Mar 15, 2013 7:23 pm

Find a local certified trainer and go to an 8 hour class (spread out) which shouldn't cost you over 100-200$. Or get private lessons from same said trainer.
Crash courses in Live are a very effective way to get going. By the end of it, you should know what nearly any button does.
You can learn the same stuff if you follow Live's built-in lessons and when something is not clear, you just google for a video on the topic at hand. There's the Ableton Answers section and then we have this (amongst others) forum.

And it must be mentioned: For 2K, you can fly in Tom Cosm to your place. If you don't know who Tom is, then buckle up: http://www.cosm.co.nz/

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Post by beats me » Fri Mar 15, 2013 8:06 pm

Are we at the point yet where this question gets more different responses than “recommend a softsynth”? :P

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