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Do you use MIDI controllers when you work with Live?
Yes, I'd feel lost without my MIDI controller. 59%  59%  [ 75 ]
I use them sometimes but I also spend a lot of time only with my KB+mouse. 39%  39%  [ 50 ]
No. I feel no need for MIDI controllers and I do all my work only with KB+mouse. 2%  2%  [ 3 ]
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 Post subject: How many of you actually use MIDI controllers?
PostPosted: Sun Mar 24, 2013 3:11 pm 

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I do own a fair bunch of MIDI controllers but I noticed that most of the time I just can't be bothered using them. I tend to program my MIDI notes and automation and in the event I need to play a short melody or drum pattern in real time I just use the Computer MIDI keyboard and edit the velocity and timing afterwards if needed. When it comes to automation, maybe it's because of my gaming background and the fact that I practically grew up with a mouse in my hand but I even find using a mouse just as good, if not better, than using a knob or a fader for MIDI CC automation (with the sole drawback that I can't operate 2 at a time).

The sometimes shaky setup of MIDI hardware, the often counter-intuitive auto-mapping of controls (and the added work of having to do it manually), the wasted desktop real estate and the fact that I constantly have to switch between my MIDI controller and my KB+mouse actually kills my workflow more than anything. Anyway, I'm pretty sure that most of the time, using MIDI controllers does more harm than good for me. I DO enjoy a minimalistic setup.

Maybe I'm the norm, maybe I'm an exception. But anyway, I have always been under the impression that most, if not almost all *serious* Live users (and computer musicians in general) use MIDI controllers in one form or another. Be it a standard chromatic keyboard, MPC style pads, some more exotic controllers or even just pots and faders for hands on control of various parameters. I'm curious if this is actually the case. :)

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 Post subject: Re: How many of you actually use MIDI controllers?
PostPosted: Sun Mar 24, 2013 3:33 pm 

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I'm not an accomplished keyboardist but I do play all my stuff on my midi keyboard and edit later on if needed. I also use a couple of those Akai mini controllers during sound design. I can't imagine only having the qwerty for input. Different strokes and all...


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 Post subject: Re: How many of you actually use MIDI controllers?
PostPosted: Sun Mar 24, 2013 4:06 pm 

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As far as note ons/offs go, I usually record everything using my MIDI controller, then edit that if necessary. And I mean everything, including drums and repetitive arpeggios etc. Automation is more of a mixed bag, I tend to record that through MIDI as well, but also using plugin GUIs and plotting automation envelopes directly. What ever feels more natural.

Oh, and I have never ever used auto mapping. Oldskool MIDI learn is where it's at (for me).

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 Post subject: Re: How many of you actually use MIDI controllers?
PostPosted: Sun Mar 24, 2013 5:15 pm 

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About 98% of my work in Ableton is done with just keyboard and mouse. When I got writers block, having an actual keyboard really helps you think of parts.

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 Post subject: Re: How many of you actually use MIDI controllers?
PostPosted: Sun Mar 24, 2013 5:41 pm 

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i rely a lot on my midi controllers. I couldn't live without them.
the most used is a novation nocturn with a custom script done by guille. With it i control the mixer and the plugins (gotta love automap! as soon as you have spent some time making your own templates, you'll almost never need the mouse to edit your plugins) and of course most part of the automation recording.
A launchpad is waiting to get properly detected by live 9 (i have some strange things going on, ableton is looking into it) and 2 doepfer pocket dial, one for general purpose mappings (having 2 rows of 8 knobs i don't have to bank-jump so much like on the nocturn) and one is dedicated to a custom patch a fried wrote for me to control all the parameters of my waldorf Q from live.
Of course the waldorf Q acts as a midi keyboard as well, i really dislike note input with the mouse, so in studio i avoid it.

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 Post subject: Re: How many of you actually use MIDI controllers?
PostPosted: Sun Mar 24, 2013 5:43 pm 

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I pretty much only use a controller when I'm playing synths, and then just the keybed gets used on my MPK25. I never really use knobs or pads in the studio, but the time I get them mapped the way I wanted, I could have just done it with the mouse most of the time.

Otherwise for probably 95% of the time I'm in the studio working on music it's just a keyboard and mouse for me.

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 Post subject: Re: How many of you actually use MIDI controllers?
PostPosted: Sun Mar 24, 2013 6:10 pm 

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I used to use a controller ONLY for in putting piano parts, then everything else was done with a mouse & qwerty. But after dealing for 18 months with severe RSI or what they now call OOS, I have worked hard to avoid the mouse and qwerty as much as possible. MIDI controllers have kinda saved the day for me...

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 Post subject: Re: How many of you actually use MIDI controllers?
PostPosted: Sun Mar 24, 2013 6:28 pm 

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i use a uc33e and a usb old school arcade style joystick when playing live

i just got an akai lpk25 which is pretty nice

and i use my custom made one string midi bass guitar which is absolutely great, especially now i got it working with my fcb1010 using maxforlive. :D
i'd like to do some live stuff with that too, need to practice a set a bit more with it though

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 Post subject: Re: How many of you actually use MIDI controllers?
PostPosted: Sun Mar 24, 2013 6:32 pm 

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I use

Launchpad - mainly for launching clips and scenes, but also partly as a mixer.

Keyboard - for playing notes, and operating knobs on macros, plugins, devices etc

Novation Nocturn - Mainly for VSTs, effects and racks

For most other stuff I use a normal mac keyboard. I occasionally use the trackpad. I don't use a mouse often.

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 Post subject: Re: How many of you actually use MIDI controllers?
PostPosted: Sun Mar 24, 2013 6:35 pm 

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störgeräusche wrote:
i rely a lot on my midi controllers. I couldn't live without them.
the most used is a novation nocturn with a custom script done by guille. With it i control the mixer and the plugins (gotta love automap! as soon as you have spent some time making your own templates, you'll almost never need the mouse to edit your plugins) and of course most part of the automation recording.


Where is the link exactly?

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 Post subject: Re: How many of you actually use MIDI controllers?
PostPosted: Mon Mar 25, 2013 12:08 am 

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I definitely need hardware. I was a synth fetichist (although I´ve sold most of my old gear, still have my old Yamaha DX-7 and Kurzweil K-2000), when DAW were not available or comparable to todays apps.

The feedback of a real keyboard (or pads) is essential to me.
Controller: Novation Zero SL MK 2, Akai MPK 49

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 Post subject: Re: How many of you actually use MIDI controllers?
PostPosted: Mon Mar 25, 2013 2:30 am 

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Can't do anything without hardware/midi.
All task with M + KB become tedious.


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 Post subject: Re: How many of you actually use MIDI controllers?
PostPosted: Mon Mar 25, 2013 7:44 am 

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Of course. I have Maschine and a BCF 2000 and I use my Akai Miniak as a controller as well. I had an Oxygen 61 but sold it because I wanted a synth

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 Post subject: Re: How many of you actually use MIDI controllers?
PostPosted: Mon Mar 25, 2013 11:00 am 

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funken wrote:
störgeräusche wrote:
i rely a lot on my midi controllers. I couldn't live without them.
the most used is a novation nocturn with a custom script done by guille. With it i control the mixer and the plugins (gotta love automap! as soon as you have spent some time making your own templates, you'll almost never need the mouse to edit your plugins) and of course most part of the automation recording.


Where is the link exactly?

here the link:
viewtopic.php?f=1&t=122831

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 Post subject: Re: How many of you actually use MIDI controllers?
PostPosted: Mon Mar 25, 2013 11:33 am 

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störgeräusche wrote:
funken wrote:
störgeräusche wrote:
i rely a lot on my midi controllers. I couldn't live without them.
the most used is a novation nocturn with a custom script done by guille. With it i control the mixer and the plugins (gotta love automap! as soon as you have spent some time making your own templates, you'll almost never need the mouse to edit your plugins) and of course most part of the automation recording.


Where is the link exactly?

here the link:
viewtopic.php?f=1&t=122831


The link is dead, or should I copy the text file in the post?

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