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Project at 88.2k & samples at 44.1k - resample?

Posted: Fri Apr 12, 2013 12:17 am
by pedrogent
I've recently started using Live at 88.2/24. I've noticed, however, that most of the samples I'm working with (Roland drum hits, etc.) are 44.1.

Is this in any way problematic? Should I be up-sampling the samples I have to 88.2/24 before I start working?

Cheers.

Re: Project at 88.2k & samples at 44.1k - resample?

Posted: Fri Apr 12, 2013 12:41 am
by fishmonkey
for the best possible sound quality you should do the sample rate conversion with a high quality offline program (the Live user manual also recommends this).

even in high quality mode, Live's sample rate conversion is optimised for real-time work, not for pristine quality.

Re: Project at 88.2k & samples at 44.1k - resample?

Posted: Fri Apr 12, 2013 2:45 am
by Tarekith
Why use Live at 88.2 in the first place, especially if your samples are already 44.1kHz.

Re: Project at 88.2k & samples at 44.1k - resample?

Posted: Fri Apr 12, 2013 3:57 am
by pedrogent
fishmonkey wrote:for the best possible sound quality you should do the sample rate conversion with a high quality offline program (the Live user manual also recommends this).

even in high quality mode, Live's sample rate conversion is optimised for real-time work, not for pristine quality.
Thanks.
Tarekith wrote:Why use Live at 88.2 in the first place, especially if your samples are already 44.1kHz.
I'm under the impression that this is advantageous when it comes time to master the track. Is this correct?

Re: Project at 88.2k & samples at 44.1k - resample?

Posted: Fri Apr 12, 2013 3:58 am
by Tarekith
No, best to stick with the same project tempo in this case. Maybe if you had recorded the samples at 88.2 originally, but even then it's debatable.

Re: Project at 88.2k & samples at 44.1k - resample?

Posted: Fri Apr 12, 2013 5:14 am
by pedrogent
So there are no advantages to mastering in 88.2/24 over 44.1/24?

Re: Project at 88.2k & samples at 44.1k - resample?

Posted: Sat Apr 13, 2013 2:43 am
by pedrogent
I'm confused. Is there nothing to be gained from going to 88.2? If so, why is it an option?

Re: Project at 88.2k & samples at 44.1k - resample?

Posted: Sat Apr 13, 2013 2:58 am
by fishmonkey
it's an endless debate, and depends on lots of factors. here's the most recent thread on it around these parts:

viewtopic.php?f=1&t=191032

Re: Project at 88.2k & samples at 44.1k - resample?

Posted: Sat Apr 13, 2013 3:10 am
by simpli.cissimus
pedrogent wrote:I'm confused. Is there nothing to be gained from going to 88.2? If so, why is it an option?
This is from one audio software developer: Maybe you trust his reputation and explanation more...
https://varietyofsound.wordpress.com/20 ... ing-rates/

From Sound on Sound magazine: Again some people with reputation...
http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/jul12/a ... 0712-1.htm

Read this interview:
http://www.gearslutz.com/board/podcasts ... 006-a.html

Interview with Bob Katz:
http://www.tnt-audio.com/intervis/digidoe.html


Read yourself and make your decision.

addon:(copied that comment from another site)
The higher the sample rate, the more you can do with the recorded file afterwards.
This is especially important if you plan on pitching down a lot,
as higher sample rates will preserve high frequencies,
whereas 44.1 kHz will sound muffled and lack energy.

Re: Project at 88.2k & samples at 44.1k - resample?

Posted: Sat Apr 13, 2013 5:25 am
by pencilrocket
it would be better not to do sample rate conversion in Live...
http://src.infinitewave.ca/

Not so pleasing result according to its chart.

Re: Project at 88.2k & samples at 44.1k - resample?

Posted: Sat Apr 13, 2013 6:58 am
by pedrogent
Thanks a lot! I'll read those links now.

Maybe it's time to go back to synth drums again...

Re: Project at 88.2k & samples at 44.1k - resample?

Posted: Sat Apr 13, 2013 2:45 pm
by simpli.cissimus
Samplerate conversion only offline !!!
No DAW has a good conversion, not even Protools.

Here is one of the best and it's free:
http://www.voxengo.com/product/r8brain/