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 Post subject: A lot of pros have jumped to Ableton from Logic
PostPosted: Sat Jul 06, 2013 5:28 pm 

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This is not a scientific observation or anything, but over the past year or two, it seems a lot of pros who used to use Logic for their productions are now using Ableton. If you look at the FutureMusic and ComputerMusic in studio videos, you'll notice the trend.

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 Post subject: Re: A lot of pros have jumped to Ableton from Logic
PostPosted: Sat Jul 06, 2013 5:52 pm 

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if that is indeed true i would say it's cuz Live is more conducive to creativity

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 Post subject: Re: A lot of pros have jumped to Ableton from Logic
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I really like the Session View for writing...it works really, really well for me. I've been a Sonar user for a long time and I still have it of course and will still use it I'm sure, but there are some thing I miss, which is not surprising. A DAW takes a little time to learn.

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 Post subject: Re: A lot of pros have jumped to Ableton from Logic
PostPosted: Sun Jul 07, 2013 2:38 am 

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Ableton's Simpler plug-in sums it up. Ableton doesn't take 10 key commands or mouse clicks to do simple tasks.

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 Post subject: Re: A lot of pros have jumped to Ableton from Logic
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No, it takes ten mouse clicks instead of one key command.

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 Post subject: Re: A lot of pros have jumped to Ableton from Logic
PostPosted: Sun Jul 07, 2013 6:14 am 

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djadonis206 wrote:
Ableton's Simpler plug-in sums it up. Ableton doesn't take 10 key commands or mouse clicks to do simple tasks.
That's interesting adonis. I've never used Logic myself. But I have a great interest in efficiency, ease of use, ergonomics, accessibility and mouseless computing. I'd love to see an example of what you meant exactly, if possible.

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 Post subject: Re: A lot of pros have jumped to Ableton from Logic
PostPosted: Sun Jul 07, 2013 8:26 am 

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Yes, people are moving from Logic to Live.
People are also moving from Live to Logic.
From Live to Studio One, Reaper, DP, Cubase etc.

Mostly, people who shouldn't buy Logic do because Apple owns them.
It's a great DAW, but it's not for everybody, just like Live isn't for everybody...

For what it's worth, the global key commands if modified to your needs make Logic blisteringly fast, but unlike Live you have to know what you want in order to get the most out of Logic. I like Live for sure, but it's strengths are also it's weaknesses. It show you a nice loop based workflow and you can instantly see how this helps you in writing etc. but if you go a less loop based route and use 30-40 tracks etc. then the workflow isn't so great. 30-200 tracks is not an issue at all for a DAW like Logic or DP, so if you're scoring in an orchestral way for instance it's easy to see how going to Logic would make sense.


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 Post subject: Re: A lot of pros have jumped to Ableton from Logic
PostPosted: Sun Jul 07, 2013 8:46 am 

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I don't hear anybody talking about Pro Tools, why's that?

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 Post subject: Re: A lot of pros have jumped to Ableton from Logic
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because the thread's about jumping from Logic to Live?

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 Post subject: Re: A lot of pros have jumped to Ableton from Logic
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Funk N. Furter wrote:
djadonis206 wrote:
Ableton's Simpler plug-in sums it up. Ableton doesn't take 10 key commands or mouse clicks to do simple tasks.
That's interesting adonis. I've never used Logic myself. But I have a great interest in efficiency, ease of use, ergonomics, accessibility and mouseless computing. I'd love to see an example of what you meant exactly, if possible.


One click - drag and drop a sample to automatically create a Simpler sampler instrument.

Compare that to the amount of mouse clicks it takes to create an ESX sampler instrument

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 Post subject: Re: A lot of pros have jumped to Ableton from Logic
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Ah, yes of course.

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 Post subject: Re: A lot of pros have jumped to Ableton from Logic
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I'd imagine logic runs better on a Mac then Ableton, I'm thinking of going the other way, you don't get warned about all the CPU problems you have with Ableton before you buy it, it's fine as long as you don't record vocals.


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 Post subject: Re: A lot of pros have jumped to Ableton from Logic
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Why would vocals use a loud of CPU?

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 Post subject: Re: A lot of pros have jumped to Ableton from Logic
PostPosted: Sun Jul 07, 2013 5:26 pm 

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Machinesworking wrote:
I like Live for sure, but it's strengths are also it's weaknesses. It show you a nice loop based workflow and you can instantly see how this helps you in writing etc. but if you go a less loop based route and use 30-40 tracks etc. then the workflow isn't so great. 30-200 tracks is not an issue at all for a DAW like Logic or DP, so if you're scoring in an orchestral way for instance it's easy to see how going to Logic would make sense.


Interestingly, Daniel James, who is an orchestral composer, uses Live for everything - http://www.youtube.com/user/dazexus

Certainly a rarity though.

And I should clarify my observation - this is solely for EDM producers.


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 Post subject: Re: A lot of pros have jumped to Ableton from Logic
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Higgs Bason wrote:
I'd imagine logic runs better on a Mac then Ableton, I'm thinking of going the other way, you don't get warned about all the CPU problems you have with Ableton before you buy it, it's fine as long as you don't record vocals.


Yes, to Logic's credit, it's rock solid on a Mac. Since upgrading to Live 9 I've experienced an unacceptable number of slow starts and shut downs, crashes and weird USB issues.

However, they're not frequent enough to render Ableton unusable or unappealing.

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