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 Post subject: Why does ableton suite installation have to be so painful?
PostPosted: Sat Jul 20, 2013 5:09 pm 

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I really can't believe this, but it seems that to install all my suite packs I have to manually download and install 37 individual packages?

Is this really how it works? If so it is utterly ridiculous and Ableton should be ashamed of shipping with an installation process like that.


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 Post subject: Re: Why does ableton suite installation have to be so painful?
PostPosted: Sat Jul 20, 2013 5:15 pm 

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You can select all of them at once and drag them all on top of the Live window. That will install all of them in a single action.


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 Post subject: Re: Why does ableton suite installation have to be so painful?
PostPosted: Sat Jul 20, 2013 6:13 pm 

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Hi Ark,

I gathered that, but requiring 37 individual downloads is still a terrible user experience! In logic for instance you can just select the packs in app to grab them.

I guess it would take 1 developer a week to build that in ableton, and that would save every user many hours. Its disappointing they don't value our time on a product this expensive!

Dan


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 Post subject: Re: Why does ableton suite installation have to be so painful?
PostPosted: Sat Jul 20, 2013 6:36 pm 

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Try checking the versions!

You have to find your Ableton library, and navigate to the folder such as

My Documents\Ableton\Orchestral Brass\Ableton Folder Info

then open properties.cfg. and read the version number.
Code:
FolderConfigData
{
  String PackUniqueID = "www.ableton.com/3";
  String PackDisplayName = "Orchestral Brass";
  String PackVendor = "Ableton";
  Int PackMinorVersion = 0;
  Int PackMajorVersion = 9;
  Int PackRevision = 29310;
  Int ProductId = 130;
  Int MinSoftwareProductId = 4;
}


In this case I have installed Int PackRevision = 29310

Now go to the website and choose "your packs", and hover over the link for the relevant pack. You will see what the current version on the server is

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So in this case, I'm up to date on this particular pack
Now simply repeat this process for the 37 packs.

Simple!

:|

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 Post subject: Re: Why does ableton suite installation have to be so painful?
PostPosted: Sun Jul 21, 2013 9:40 am 

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Angstrom wrote:
Try checking the versions!

You have to find your Ableton library, and navigate to the folder such as

My Documents\Ableton\Orchestral Brass\Ableton Folder Info

then open properties.cfg. and read the version number.
Code:
FolderConfigData
{
  String PackUniqueID = "www.ableton.com/3";
  String PackDisplayName = "Orchestral Brass";
  String PackVendor = "Ableton";
  Int PackMinorVersion = 0;
  Int PackMajorVersion = 9;
  Int PackRevision = 29310;
  Int ProductId = 130;
  Int MinSoftwareProductId = 4;
}


In this case I have installed Int PackRevision = 29310

Now go to the website and choose "your packs", and hover over the link for the relevant pack. You will see what the current version on the server is

Image

So in this case, I'm up to date on this particular pack
Now simply repeat this process for the 37 packs.

Simple!

:|


Nice!!!!

Having complained about ableton, I just installed komplete 7 from dvd last night. Its just as bad although at least it version detects. It took hours and now everything needs updating so having to run a tonne of separate installers. arghhh. Why do music companies hate their users so?


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 Post subject: Re: Why does ableton suite installation have to be so painful?
PostPosted: Mon Jul 22, 2013 5:36 am 

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Because it's fun for the rest of us to watch others complain just so :roll:

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 Post subject: Re: Why does ableton suite installation have to be so painful?
PostPosted: Mon Jul 22, 2013 6:48 am 

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I gotta agree with Cassp0nk on this.

Having to individually & manually download then install all packs is a pain in the ass. Especially if you don't download all in one sitting, or if they update specific packs you need to check you have everything up to date yourself.

It's all feeling a bit archaic.

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 Post subject: Re: Why does ableton suite installation have to be so painful?
PostPosted: Mon Jul 22, 2013 9:13 am 

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Try to master 1 plugin first, it is better for your learning perspectives.

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 Post subject: Re: Why does ableton suite installation have to be so painful?
PostPosted: Mon Jul 22, 2013 9:18 am 

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I'm with you all on this on this the process is not entirely clear (thx angstrom for clearing that up) as to which pack might need to be installed if you already have it. I don't think physical media is an option though as things change so fast before you no it your library is out of date! Good internet connection is a must for music production apps nowadays. Or just stop upgrading...if they would only stop tempting us! :lol:


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 Post subject: Re: Why does ableton suite installation have to be so painful?
PostPosted: Mon Jul 22, 2013 11:02 am 

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Surely it's not such a big step for Ableton to enable automatic updates for packs as well as the main prog?

....and preferably download just the bits that have changed, rather than the whole lot over again.


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 Post subject: Re: Why does ableton suite installation have to be so painful?
PostPosted: Mon Jul 22, 2013 1:56 pm 

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102455 wrote:
Surely it's not such a big step for Ableton to enable automatic updates for packs as well as the main prog?

....and preferably download just the bits that have changed, rather than the whole lot over again.


i suggested this in the live 9 beta forum but never heard anything about it :D

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 Post subject: Re: Why does ableton suite installation have to be so painful?
PostPosted: Mon Jul 22, 2013 2:34 pm 

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I most certainly DON'T want automatic upgrading of packs.

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 Post subject: Re: Why does ableton suite installation have to be so painful?
PostPosted: Mon Jul 22, 2013 2:41 pm 

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I suggest that they make it optional, not obligatory.


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 Post subject: Re: Why does ableton suite installation have to be so painful?
PostPosted: Mon Jul 22, 2013 2:53 pm 

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said it before, and I'll say it again.

Current situation : L9 removes all information available in L8. Provides no new, or replacement functionality.
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Proposed functionality : preferences tells user which packs are update-able, and which products are licensed
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 Post subject: Re: Why does ableton suite installation have to be so painful?
PostPosted: Mon Jul 22, 2013 3:39 pm 

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but but but then a user might see version numbers and a whole new tab and flip the hell out and uninstall ableton due to its complexity


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