F@&£Ing volume!!!!

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Re: F@&£Ing volume!!!!

Post by JuanSOLO » Mon Jul 22, 2013 5:15 pm

I enjoy sarcastic wit with a healthy dose of humor in these forums just as much as anyone.
You seem miss the part where that reads as such, and the result looks more like an attack based on assumption and is overall patronizing.
He wasn't insulting you, you chose to feel insulted with a snarky 1st response.
You start on the offense, and you wouldn't need to defend your responses if they were executed in a helpful manner, snarky or not.
102455 wrote:When you're looking for help, that's the last thing you should be doing (IMO).
what about you? and your helping?
If you actually believe your first responses are insightful over insulting, your the one that needs help, and that's a different forum.

you're like a helping noob I guess.

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Re: F@&£Ing volume!!!!

Post by JuanSOLO » Mon Jul 22, 2013 5:20 pm

sowhoso wrote:
sinkysaurus wrote:I've taken my question elsewhere.
so you ignored the two good responses you got here

sheeesh
says a lot about first impressions, inspite of the 2 good responses.

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Re: F@&£Ing volume!!!!

Post by 102455 » Mon Jul 22, 2013 5:30 pm

JuanSOLO wrote:you're like a helping noob I guess.
Far from it.

As well as my contributions here, I also respond with help for others on at least seven other forums, and online generally.

I've been doing so since the 80s, before the web even existed. Back then I used conferencing software on dial-up to "blink" and collect/post messages.

People turn to me IRL too for my knowledge on DJing, DJ kit, studio kit, PA kit, gadgets, computers, software....

Not a noob by any means.

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Re: F@&£Ing volume!!!!

Post by JuanSOLO » Mon Jul 22, 2013 5:36 pm

I sure couldn't tell from this thread, too bad it doesn't always show

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Re: F@&£Ing volume!!!!

Post by sinkysaurus » Mon Jul 22, 2013 7:12 pm

Sowhoso- absolutely! Good point! On forums this guy can be everything he is not in reality. Which I imagine, is a bit of a coward. Or as I said before "moron".

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Re: F@&£Ing volume!!!!

Post by 102455 » Mon Jul 22, 2013 8:02 pm

.....and you still haven't given us any more info.

Post a link to your track, tell us the name of the song you're comparing it to.

Otherwise, the only answer you're likely to get is "use a compressor" or "use a limiter" - which you should already have known if you weren't such a moron yourself. HA!

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Re: F@&£Ing volume!!!!

Post by nopattern » Tue Jul 23, 2013 12:23 am

download this: http://www.voxengo.com/product/spanplus

create new live set

now go download what you think is the best sounding track in your genre at the moment

load this file in live and place SPAN on the channel.

try this as follows with SPAN: go to settings, set slope to 0, enable 2nd spectrum. use one in "RT AVG" other in "RT MAX or MAX"

this will show you the spectral graph of your music using one display for averaging and the other for peak readings. set the averaging time to 3 seconds or greater to start.

make note on a sheet of paper avg and max amplitudes for the reference track over the entire frequency range.

do this for a few different tracks then start trying to benchmark your mix. the meters in live show you average level with a peak reading, you can use this in combination with the information you wrote down from analyzing the reference tracks. after a few times you wont need the analyzer anymore. just think about which range each sound lies in and use the faders/meters to sit it in the mix. don't be afraid if some of your channels are very low

loud is not about how hot the levels are. imo it's good practice to balance the track using just the faders before moving on to eq/comp, etc...

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Re: F@&£Ing volume!!!!

Post by Hermanus » Tue Jul 23, 2013 1:39 am

boys...

how does it make that nobody have said to the OP to search in the audio rack presets and look into the
mixing & mastering folder

There you should find what could help you to boost up dynamics.

Leave your master track at 0.0db and once your main level doesn't go red, put the fx rack of you choice on the master.
Set it at taste and go

This topic has turned into who has the right to insult the other one, or something similar...
That was not the point guys

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Re: F@&£Ing volume!!!!

Post by djadonis206 » Tue Jul 23, 2013 1:42 am

I'm interested in this topic, too bad it disintegrated.

I'm looking to get my tracks as loud as possible as well

Examples of my music, not being loud :(

www.soundcloud.com/djadonis206
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Re: F@&£Ing volume!!!!

Post by yur2die4 » Tue Jul 23, 2013 1:53 am

I'm waiting for the condescending wonka meme to pop up in here.

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Re: F@&£Ing volume!!!!

Post by Tarekith » Tue Jul 23, 2013 3:18 am

djadonis206 wrote:I'm interested in this topic, too bad it disintegrated.

I'm looking to get my tracks as loud as possible as well

Examples of my music, not being loud :(

http://www.soundcloud.com/djadonis206
Some of those aren't too quiet actually, so not that bad. I think the biggest issue is just some busy mixdown, lots of overlapping freqs fighting to be in their own space without getting distorted at loud volumes I'd guess. Or a bit excessive sub-bass in some cases.

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Re: F@&£Ing volume!!!!

Post by djadonis206 » Tue Jul 23, 2013 3:30 am

Thanks, Tarekith

I'm really trying to focus on the mixing aspect of production these days. It always seems so far down the line. First there's learning the gear, making a beat, arranging the beat and then by time I get around to mixing I'm thinking about the next beat and put no time into the mix.

I'll focus more on eq and balance

Edit: I'd love to sit down with you and work through a track
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Re: F@&£Ing volume!!!!

Post by Tarekith » Tue Jul 23, 2013 3:38 am

Well, not sure how practical working through an entire track would be, but I'd be down for getting together some time and seeing what we could do with a mixdown.

Drop me an email sometime and we can discuss it more in private. Probably better than bothering all the home-schooled teenagers here who never learned social etiquette or how to be nice to other people.

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Re: F@&£Ing volume!!!!

Post by re:dream » Tue Jul 23, 2013 4:13 am

Thanks for the SpanPlus heads-up. Looks like a really useful plugin

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Re: F@&£Ing volume!!!!

Post by sinkysaurus » Tue Jul 23, 2013 8:31 am

Some interesting stuff here!

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