Resampling into live is volume-weak - solutions?

[filter_7]

Hi, if you resample in an audio track with 'resampling' input method you got an audio file with a very weak volume compared to the original.

If I put a limiter into that sampled track with +9db gain I have the same volume of the original, but i think this way some dynamics are lost...

I know this is a know issue in Live, do you have better solutions for that?

[filter_7]

any ideas?

[chris vine]

Doesn.t resampling take its level from the master out?

[bodhi71]

I agree, you would lose an extreme amount of dynamic range if you need to limit at +9dB.
How about sending the audio of the track you want to resample to the input of another track, possibly omitting any loss? IDK?

[massenmedium]

You're not necessarily losing anything if you're just using the Limiter to boost the gain without hitting any peaks, you could also just turn the gain up on the clip or use a Utility instead.

[filter_7]

@bodhi71: I sent many tracks into an audio track to sample, but the result is the same, weak volume.

@massenmedium: don't you think that is not the same thing? I mean between two samples, one with normal volume and the other with +9db to reach the same level?

[chrk]

Hi, if you resample in an audio track with 'resampling' input method you got an audio file with a very weak volume compared to the original.

If I resample in an audio track with 'resampling' input method I got an audio file with no such very weak volume compared to the original.

I have tried all three Bit Depths in Live's Record Preferences. I had a vague suspicion there...

The recorded (resampled) files at 16, 24 and 32 bit all peaked within 1dB off the original.

No idea what's happening at your end.

[Tagor]

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[massenmedium]

Yes they are different - one is quieter!

I was replying in part to the post above mine which seemed to assume you were limiting to -9dB. You may be but from what you've said it seemed more like you were just boosting the level. At 24bit this may not be a significant issue for sound quality. But you do probably need to look into why the level is low in the first place - that's a bit weird.

Have you tried a very simple test - one audio clip playing and using resample into another track?

[filter_7]

Have you tried a very simple test - one audio clip playing and using resample into another track?

Yes, i compared the 2 sounds (original and resampled) putting the resampled one in another track with the same track volume, but nothing, i got a lower level.

I should check my audio card settings, but I thought it was a common issue in Live, maybe i'm wrong; if someone else got this problem please let me know.

@Tagor: using a VST recorder the resmpled level is identical (!).

[massenmedium]

I think it unlikely that the audio card settings would have an effect on that as the resampling is done internally in Live.

One other thought - is there anything on your Master bus that could be affecting the level - a Limiter maybe? What you gte when resampling is what would be coming out of the main output bus, so that's what affects the overall level. Master level at 0dB with a Limiter at 0dB would be fine.

[filter_7]

I think it unlikely that the audio card settings would have an effect on that as the resampling is done internally in Live.

You're right, the audio card don't affect the resample process...

One other thought - is there anything on your Master bus that could be affecting the level - a Limiter maybe? What you gte when resampling is what would be coming out of the main output bus, so that's what affects the overall level. Master level at 0dB with a Limiter at 0dB would be fine.

I have nothing on the master track, no fx anywhere

It's very strange...

[S Francis]

Figured it out!

This was bothering me too but it's just because the resampling track does indeed take whatever is coming out of the Main (Master) output as someone stated above. If that output is set to -6db for example the resample will be -6db quieter. Simple fix I think, just put the Main output at unity and it should be good. Thought I was losing my mind for a bit there haha.