RENDER TO Wonderfulness! - Live 4 is heaven!

Sales Dude McBoob · Post by **Sales Dude McBoob** » Thu May 19, 2005 2:24 pm

Hey the edit function really does work!

mikemc · Post by **mikemc** » Thu May 19, 2005 2:34 pm

24 bit render sounds better than 16 bit, but Silverspike's Tapeit 2 sounds better than either. http://www.silverspike.com/ and it is very inexpensive.

mcconaghy · Post by **mcconaghy** » Thu May 19, 2005 3:02 pm

My renders sound good, on par with my ProTools or Logic renders - i wonder why yours aren't?

B · Post by B » Thu May 19, 2005 3:50 pm

I don't have a problem either. are you referencing your material in another location after rendering?

spiderprod · Post by **spiderprod** » Thu May 19, 2005 3:54 pm

why don't you record the master out onto a new audio track ,it takes the same amout of time as rendering & you get a better result .

Former Pharaoh · Post by **Former Pharaoh** » Thu May 19, 2005 4:34 pm

Sales Dude McBoob wrote:Breaks my heart to make this post...

Live 4 is by far my favorite audio software, but I cannot tell my customers that Live is the only software you need.

When you compose a song in Live 4 with your own audio tracks and some looped beats and a virtual instrument or two, you can get a great sound going.

But, when it comes time to render the Live set to disc, the sweet sound you have crafted from Live's tools gets nothing less than COMPLETELY destroyed by the Render to Disc function.

This is a pretty huge problem. I will not sell a customer Live as their only production software until I can be proven wrong that the render to disc funtion has some merit.

Yes, I have had this problem with Live since it first came out. All versions had this sound degradation when rendering. I like to create my own loops and render them as wav files for song structuring within Live. It is useless. I have to create my loops in Reason, or other apps.
For some reason, the loops sound better when i create them in other applications.

AdamJay · Post by **AdamJay** » Thu May 19, 2005 6:10 pm

resample (instead of render) your entire arrangement maybe?

and go see the doctor about that knee jerk problem you seem to be having.

brecht · Post by **brecht** » Thu May 19, 2005 6:36 pm

hey spiderprod,

could you post two samples, one rendered to disk and one recording the master channel?

I've had the same experience as mcconaghy. I've never thought that my tracks sounded any different after rendering.

shtreimel · Post by **shtreimel** » Thu May 19, 2005 6:43 pm

Wrote, recorded and mixed and entire score for a major documentary film (to be released in Canada Fall '05) only using Live. That's it, that's all....zip. No other software was used. The only comments from the NFB (National Film Board of Canada) that my partner and I received was: "Excellent music".

the ar · Post by **the ar** » Thu May 19, 2005 6:46 pm

The problem is asio compression when rendering.
Not a Live problem.

drush · Post by **drush** » Thu May 19, 2005 6:49 pm

the ar wrote:The problem is asio compression when rendering.
Not a Live problem.

the problem might also be sweeping uninformed generalizations. maybe.

naulboy · Post by **naulboy** » Thu May 19, 2005 6:50 pm

I've never had this problem either, and have put multiple records out solely from Live. Masters always sound good, at least as good as before I was using Live (I am still putting everything through T-Racks) if not better.

If I ever have any doubts I just put my latency well up, use as many buffers as possible and record the master in another program (such as Sound Forge)...although rendering the whole file always seems fine.

the ar · Post by **the ar** » Thu May 19, 2005 6:52 pm

I was just stating my point of view.
And asio compression (when rendering) sucks big time.
Next time I'll send you my post previews for approval, if that makes you happy.

leisuremuffin · Post by **leisuremuffin** » Thu May 19, 2005 7:19 pm

I've never had a problem with render, but yeah, you should try using the resample function instead. And, dude, please get 100% informed before you go spouting a whole bunch of bullshit to your customers.

-lm

AdamJay · Post by **AdamJay** » Thu May 19, 2005 7:20 pm

drush wrote:
the ar wrote:The problem is asio compression when rendering.
Not a Live problem.
the problem might also be sweeping uninformed generalizations. maybe.

hmm.. Ar raises a point though.

has anyone ever complained about Rendered quality that is using a Macintosh?

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