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eyeknow wrote:EDIT: Now that I think about it, maybe that wasn't so bad. I mean, live was probably laughed off by some as they continued to grow and kinda started leaving some others behind. Acid was prolly the market they were after primarily.

Yeah, you make a good point, cheers!

Someone pointed out earlier that entering the DAW market in 2000 vs. 2014 is a vastly different undertaking.

most of us probably have cell phones with more processing power, and certainly more RAM, than the computers we used when Live was released.

Ooooops!

Now they are saying that the PDC issue might just be a bug!

what the hec do you mean? a bug? inconceivable! Bitwig is OBJECTIVELY better.

eyeknow wrote:Ooooops!

Now they are saying that the PDC issue might just be a bug!

Actually, funken came up with that.

Certain features in Bitwig are objectively better, still holds true. Another to add to that list is appearance. The UI is MUCH more pleasant to work with.

Some of the workflow innovations they've made are incredible. There's a fair share of quirks but once they polish this a little more there's no reason for me to personally use Ableton. This is going to be a phenomenal DAW.

hec wrote:Certain features in Bitwig are objectively better, still holds true. Another to add to that list is appearance. The UI is MUCH more pleasant to work with.

A dictionary could help you out here.

bitwig, stone cold killa,
comein' atcha, gonna gitcha
with the mad beats, make 'em fatta
people with live....they won't matta

The GUI is a step backward.

shadx312 wrote: One big WTF is the longest the LFOs run for are 2 bars. W T F

no way???? 2 bars is 2 little

deva wrote:

UncleAge wrote:

c33 wrote:I haven't downloaded the demo but apparently there's a demo noise? And no save and export? Major first impression fail.

No demo noise that i have noticed.

There is no demo noise. I posted that there was because I did not realize some of my vst plugins have reverted to demo mode in Bitwig. I assumed the noise was from Bitwig.

Ahh ok.. I still think not allowing people to fully test drive the software and actually try to make some music with it (no save and export) is disappointing. And it's a missed opportunity for them too.

their idea is OBJECTIVELY better.

hec wrote:Certain features in Bitwig are objectively better, still holds true. Another to add to that list is appearance. The UI is MUCH more pleasant to work with.

How something appears to an individual is a subjective impression, not objective. Being more or less pleasant to work with is also a subjective judgement. Neither of these things can be compared objectively. The best you can do to compare subjective impressions is to study prederences of groups. One person stating their own subjective impression about something can never be used to prove that one thing is better than an another.

3dot... wrote:

The now discontinued Cakewalk Project 5 V2.

Davo wrote:

hec wrote:Certain features in Bitwig are objectively better, still holds true. Another to add to that list is appearance. The UI is MUCH more pleasant to work with.

How something appears to an individual is a subjective impression, not objective. Being more or less pleasant to work with is also a subjective judgement. Neither of these things can be compared objectively. The best you can do to compare subjective impressions is to study prederences of groups. One person stating their own subjective impression about something can never be used to prove that one thing is better than an another.

We've been down this road, hec's subjective opinion in his mind is objectively better, period!
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